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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Aerodymanic studies (Ben Harder)
2. Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown (Dan Bubb)
3. Light makes right (JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com)
4. Re: Light makes right? (David Utley)
5. Re: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown (Lars Bruchmann)
6. RE: Aerodymanic studies (Ben Harder)
7. Re: Anyone need performance engine work done? (Daun Yeagley)
8. Re: Anyone need performance engine work done? (Matthew H.)
9. paging Chad Eatock! (Mark Hausler)
10. Manual Steering U-Link Connects Steering Column To The
Steering-rack Input Shaft (Peter)
11. NOW: Something David doesn't know? WAS: Light makes right?
(Mike Smith)
12. Re: Light makes right (Robert Piwonka)
13. Re: will start, but won't stay running (John S. Lagnese)
14. Battery Tray Remvoal (Bryan Rankin)
15. Re: Battery Tray Remvoal (Allyn)
16. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (marc_scirocco)
17. Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (Allyn)
18. Re: Battery Tray Remvoal (GGehrke)
19. Re: will start, but won't stay running (GGehrke)
20. RE: Battery Tray Remvoal (Peter)
21. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (marc_scirocco)
22. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (Peter)
23. Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (Mark F.)
24. Fender Removal (Bryan Rankin)
25. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (marc_scirocco)
26. RE: Fender Removal (marc_scirocco)
27. RE: Aerodymanic studies (Dick Y Wong)
28. RE: Fender Removal (Bryan Rankin)
29. Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath??? (Mark F.)
30. RE: Aerodymanic studies (marc_scirocco)
31. RE: Fender Removal (marc_scirocco)
32. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (marc_scirocco)
33. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (Shannon)
34. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (Shannon)
35. Re: Question for the Boosted guys.... (David Winchell)
36. RE: Aerodymanic studies (Julie Macfarlane)
37. Re: Fender Removal (GGehrke)
38. Re: NOW: Something David doesn't know? WAS: Light makes
right? (Mike Smith)
39. RE: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
(Brian Wagner)
40. Re: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown (Dan Bubb)
41. RE: Fender Removal (JOHN WORDEN)
42. Re: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (David Utley)
43. RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (JOHN WORDEN)
44. Re: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown (David Utley)
45. Re: RE: Fender Removal (David Utley)
46. Re: RE: Fender Removal (JOHN WORDEN)
47. Re: RE: Fender Removal (David Utley)
48. Re: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
(Gordon Forbess)
49. Re: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown (C Boyko)
50. Re: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
(Mark F.)
51. Hey now...Silver 87 Scirocco 16V in the Ontario auto
trader...$900 CDN (Sandor)
52. Re: Hey now...Silver 87 Scirocco 16V in the Ontario auto
trader...$900 CDN (C Boyko)
53. Re: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
(Gordon Forbess)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:01:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Harder <vwtype53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Aerodymanic studies
To: Anson Clement <ansonivan@yahoo.com>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <20050105180134.74015.qmail@web52502.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
This guy has done an absolutely admirable job on that car!
I think we have all dreamed of designing and building a car at
some point (I have many times)... and this is just amazing to
see it actually coming to life. Just wish I had the seemingly
limitless funds that this guy must have... I mean, buying
a brand new Hayabusa only to part it out for the engine and
some wiring! yikes...
SolidWorks itself will not do the flow modeling that he has shown
on page 6, but there are complimentary programs that can be purchased
to use with SolidWorks... the one he may have used is FlowWorks from
Cosmos Software. I used this a while back for some flow analysis
on my intake manifold design. Quite a nice program...
Ben
--- Anson Clement <ansonivan@yahoo.com> wrote:
This guy built his entire car in solidworks, I'm not sure what software was
being used but on page 6 he talks about cfd numbers and whatnot.
Shoot him an e-mail and he should tell you what he was using.
Give it a squint, it's one of the most exciting profects I have ever seen.
http://dpcars.net/
Anson
Julie Macfarlane <juliemac57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Any one ever see an air flow analysis of the MKI? You know where it shows
the air flow pattern over the top of the car?
I would love to see it if it is available.
Or if some one has the software? (Pleeeeze)
Julie Macfarlane
"Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
Amsterdam NY
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:50:07 -0500
From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown
To: <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <000b01c4f368$28f72390$a809b9d0@4WAVEINC>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Lightening a flywheel is just the same as removing weight from your car except it's primary effect
is reducing rotational inertia as opposed to just lightening the car. There is no change in engine
HP or torque as a result of changing flywheel weight.
Rotational inertia can be correlated to vehicle weight, so you can calculate the effective weight
reduction. It's just that the effect is different in different gears. Relatively large effect in
1st, small effect in 5th.
There's a performance gain. It isn't huge. It may not be worth the money. But it's there.
And No! the laws of physics haven't changed.
As a case in point, anybody seen a Formula 1 crank, flywheel and clutch. Just to give you an idea,
the clutch plate diameter is 4.5" or less and the flywheel is really just an attachment plate for
the clutch. Two reasons for the small diameter clutch; lower engine center of gravity and lower
rotational inertia.
The ultimate lightened flywheel.
Dan
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:31:50 -0600, "David Utley"
<fahrvegnugen@cox.net> wrote:
Next, Dan will tell me that I was right about heavier flywheels increasing
mileage... :)
I must have missed that one. FWIW, Drake considered lightened
flywheels a waste of money. Not bad.. just no net performance gain.
I got the physics lecture from Robert Collins when I asked about it
and those laws haven't been changed in last 20 years, have they? :-)
Gordon
75 Scirocco/Drake 1.9 8V
http://pws.prserv.net/scirocco/scirocco.htm
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:10:19 -0500
From: JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com
Subject: Light makes right
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1105034401.12229.scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I have often tried to stay away from some of the theory related discussions
but I can not pass this up. I would contend that a flywheel's only purpose
is to even out the power pulses. This would have the effect of a smoother
idle, and possibly greater traction based on the firing order of the engine.
The downside is IMHO horsepower consumed. IIRC horsepower is loosely a
measure of an engines rate of change ability(simply put, gain/lose rpm).
Would that not be the intent behind an F1 car having virtually no flywheel?
They have no concern for idle characteristics, all the engineers want is for
the engine to increase rpm as quickly as possible. Less mass to move, easier
to make it spin faster simply put eh? To wrap it up, the lighter the
flywheel the worse your idle but the greater the release of your engines
power to be dedicated to making your wheels turn faster which is what we
want right?
I am not going to even address the how the flywheel can smooth out the
powerpulses which can give better traction in corners portion.
Not even close to an engineer
Joshua C.
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:50 PM
To: gforbess@attglobal.net
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
Lightening a flywheel is just the same as removing weight from your car
except it's primary effect
is reducing rotational inertia as opposed to just lightening the car. There
is no change in engine
HP or torque as a result of changing flywheel weight.
Rotational inertia can be correlated to vehicle weight, so you can calculate
the effective weight
reduction. It's just that the effect is different in different gears.
Relatively large effect in
1st, small effect in 5th.
There's a performance gain. It isn't huge. It may not be worth the money.
But it's there.
And No! the laws of physics haven't changed.
As a case in point, anybody seen a Formula 1 crank, flywheel and clutch.
Just to give you an idea,
the clutch plate diameter is 4.5" or less and the flywheel is really just an
attachment plate for
the clutch. Two reasons for the small diameter clutch; lower engine center
of gravity and lower
rotational inertia.
The ultimate lightened flywheel.
Dan
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:35:09 -0500
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Light makes right?
To: <JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<20050105213508.FSOR1657.lakermmtao10.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
From: JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com
Date: 2005/01/05 Wed PM 04:10:19 EST
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Light makes right
I have often tried to stay away from some of the theory related discussions
but I can not pass this up. I would contend that a flywheel's only purpose
is to even out the power pulses. This would have the effect of a smoother
idle, and possibly greater traction based on the firing order of the engine.
The downside is IMHO horsepower consumed. IIRC horsepower is loosely a
measure of an engines rate of change ability(simply put, gain/lose rpm).
Would that not be the intent behind an F1 car having virtually no flywheel?
They have no concern for idle characteristics, all the engineers want is for
the engine to increase rpm as quickly as possible. Less mass to move, easier
to make it spin faster simply put eh? To wrap it up, the lighter the
flywheel the worse your idle but the greater the release of your engines
power to be dedicated to making your wheels turn faster which is what we
want right?
Then perhaps this is one of the reasons why they are so likely to stall? Less rotational mass to keep the motor running if one is too brutal with the clutch?
But then again, this is academic. We don't drive race cars, on a track. We drive in the real world... :-P
Anybody see that one Warner Bros. cartoon with the midget mafia type boss? "Shut up, shuttin' up." (Talking to myself, of course...) :-)
David
Yes, I know I am weird. Tell me something I -don't- know...
Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:18:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Lars Bruchmann <pilotlars@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown
To: Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>, gforbess@attglobal.net
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <20050105231830.95680.qmail@web51609.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
and i'm sure that clutch and flywheel don't have to
last 100k or 150k miles either.
--- Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Lightening a flywheel is just the same as removing
weight from your car except it's primary effect
is reducing rotational inertia as opposed to just
lightening the car. There is no change in engine
HP or torque as a result of changing flywheel
weight.
Rotational inertia can be correlated to vehicle
weight, so you can calculate the effective weight
reduction. It's just that the effect is different in
different gears. Relatively large effect in
1st, small effect in 5th.
There's a performance gain. It isn't huge. It may
not be worth the money. But it's there.
And No! the laws of physics haven't changed.
As a case in point, anybody seen a Formula 1 crank,
flywheel and clutch. Just to give you an idea,
the clutch plate diameter is 4.5" or less and the
flywheel is really just an attachment plate for
the clutch. Two reasons for the small diameter
clutch; lower engine center of gravity and lower
rotational inertia.
The ultimate lightened flywheel.
Dan
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:31:50 -0600, "David Utley"
<fahrvegnugen@cox.net> wrote:
>Next, Dan will tell me that I was right about
heavier flywheels increasing
>mileage... :)
I must have missed that one. FWIW, Drake considered
lightened
flywheels a waste of money. Not bad.. just no net
performance gain.
I got the physics lecture from Robert Collins when I
asked about it
and those laws haven't been changed in last 20
years, have they? :-)
Gordon
75 Scirocco/Drake 1.9 8V
http://pws.prserv.net/scirocco/scirocco.htm
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:45:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Harder <vwtype53@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Aerodymanic studies
To: Marc Getty <marc@getty.net>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <20050105234529.52091.qmail@web52504.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Right... if I had the $$ and had no job...
you better believe that I would build a car!
But yeah, I need to play the lottery first. :/
Ben
--- Marc Getty <marc@getty.net> wrote:
I love this guy's site! What a fucking Ben Harder wanna-be this guy is! ;-)
-Marc
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Anson Clement
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:42 AM
To: Julie Macfarlane; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Aerodymanic studies
This guy built his entire car in solidworks, I'm not sure what software was
being used but on page 6 he talks about cfd numbers and whatnot.
Shoot him an e-mail and he should tell you what he was using.
Give it a squint, it's one of the most exciting profects I have ever seen.
http://dpcars.net/
Anson
Julie Macfarlane <juliemac57@hotmail.com> wrote:
Any one ever see an air flow analysis of the MKI? You know where it shows
the air flow pattern over the top of the car?
I would love to see it if it is available.
Or if some one has the software? (Pleeeeze)
Julie Macfarlane
"Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
Amsterdam NY
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 16:22:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Daun Yeagley <vwdaun@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone need performance engine work done?
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <20050106002212.16372.qmail@web52705.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
--- "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com> wrote:
I just got back from a mad dash to Ohio and back to pick
up a bunch of
parts and race rubber (thanks Anson!) and met a very cool
machinist in
Tiffin.
I'm guessing you were picking up Adam's head?
And why the hell didn't you say hi while you were down
here?!?!
:p
=====
Daun Yeagley - Wilmington Ohio
'77, '81 S, '85, '86 & '88 16v Sciroccos, '96 Passat GLX Wagon, '56 Cessna 172
"My rabbit has a human foot on his keychain. That's not the scary part. What I wanna know is what those keys are for." - The Four Postmen
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:47:36 -0500
From: "Matthew H." <rjtremor@core.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone need performance engine work done?
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, "list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <007201c4f389$51e44500$954c5dd8@Musclewuff>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
To: "list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:15 AM
Subject: Anyone need performance engine work done?
I just got back from a mad dash to Ohio and back to pick up a bunch of
parts and race rubber (thanks Anson!) and met a very cool machinist in
Tiffin. This guy knows his stuff, especially about VWs and Audis...
I spent a good part of the afternoon picking his brain, and left his
shop a smarter man! :)
This makes me very very happy because I've got some head P&Ping and crank
lightening, and maybe even some of that flywheel lightening in the future
for my Audi. I've asked on here if anyone knew a really good machinist for
their head and engine work, and I was getting ready to ask again. Don't have
to, now. ^.^ *Beams*
~Matt
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:15:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Mark Hausler <mk1scirocco@yahoo.com>
Subject: paging Chad Eatock!
To: scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <20050106011518.20515.qmail@web13825.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
My friend Raffi needs to get in contact with you- (he
is off the list now)
e-mail him at flaatr@yahoo.com
thanks!
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'81 scirocco s
'03 20AE GTI
'83 GTI (project car)
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:08:25 -0500
From: "Peter" <peter@thescirocco.com>
Subject: Manual Steering U-Link Connects Steering Column To The
Steering-rack Input Shaft
To: <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <200501052110687.SM01408@thedellou812>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
I think I just found the manual U-Link I've been looking for.
It has "Made In W. Germany" on it and "53L" and it was bolted to a manual A1
rack.
Whatcha think?
Btw, there's a special on the Autobahn right now on the Science channel, the
show is called megastructures.
Thanks!
Peter
http://thescirocco.com/
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:17:16 -0500
From: Mike Smith <smithma7@gmail.com>
Subject: NOW: Something David doesn't know? WAS: Light makes right?
To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <d2a8ac31050105191720c607c5@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Not sure if you know this already or not, but the number 9 is really
incredible. Multiply any number by 9. Take the result and if more
than one digit, then add the digits together. If that result is more
than one digit, add them again. Repeat until there is only one digit
left in the total. Guess what number it is.... 9!
Pretty neat, eh?
Examples:
9 x 9 = 81, 8 + 1 = 9
9 x 351 = 3159, 3 + 1 + 5 + 9 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9
I figured this one out years ago and it always blows me away.
On other 9 news: Beaver Cleaver's locker number: 9. Revolution No.
9. 9 pennies weigh one ounce. And there's more!
Scirocco related: I've owned mine ALMOST 9 years.
--
Mike
'86 red 16v (Red 5)
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:37:32 -0600
From: Robert Piwonka <t.piwonka@ttu.edu>
Subject: Re: Light makes right
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <41DCB27C.8050901@ttu.edu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
JoshuaA.Conner@VerizonWireless.com wrote:
I have often tried to stay away from some of the theory related discussions
but I can not pass this up. I would contend that a flywheel's only purpose
is to even out the power pulses. This would have the effect of a smoother
idle, and possibly greater traction based on the firing order of the engine.
The downside is IMHO horsepower consumed. IIRC horsepower is loosely a
measure of an engines rate of change ability(simply put, gain/lose rpm).
Would that not be the intent behind an F1 car having virtually no flywheel?
and to put this is terms of physics it is simply an energy equation.
Total power of combustion = heat loss + angular velocity
+ linear velocity. angular being rotational, this is where the flywheel
stores energy and looking at the equation you can see that making that
smaller makes your linear larger which makes your car more efficient.
And for a more detailed explanation
http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/flywheel.htm
Robert
This qualifies as my once a year post
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:51:38 -0500
From: "John S. Lagnese" <jlagnese@massed.net>
Subject: Re: will start, but won't stay running
To: "Nathan Lowe" <nathanlowe@charter.net>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <003e01c4f3a3$076cb4c0$11639c04@hppav>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I seem to recall that someone had this problem before, Wasn't there a fuel
pump problem or fuel pump relay problem?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Lowe" <nathanlowe@charter.net>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: will start, but won't stay running
My car (a '79 w/ 2.0 aba swap) is having a problem staying running. I can
start it fine, but once I turn the key from the "start" to "run" position it
dies. It was doing this a few months ago but stopped on its own. Now it's
doing it again. The battery is fine and I just replaced the ignition switch
trying to fix the problem, nothing is different. I'm stumped as to where to
go next with this? Any ideas what it could be and how I could check that?
I'm a novice here so please be kind in your explinations :)
Nathan
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 22:54:00 -0500
From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
Subject: Battery Tray Remvoal
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <BAY104-F3082400D46C0C519053E328E930@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
I wanna get that sucker out of my engine bay, is there any tricks to it or
just separate what holds it to the frame?
thanks
Bryan
Fort McMurray, AB
81 Volkswagen Scirocco
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:10:24 -0500
From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Battery Tray Remvoal
To: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000901c4f3a5$a61b31d0$0301a8c0@main>
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reply-type=response
inductive spot welds hold it to the driver side rail.
hth
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 10:54 PM
Subject: Battery Tray Remvoal
I wanna get that sucker out of my engine bay, is there any tricks to it or
just separate what holds it to the frame?
thanks
Bryan
Fort McMurray, AB
81 Volkswagen Scirocco
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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:54:35 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: "'David Utley'" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>, "'Larry Fry'"
<rocco16@sbcglobal.net>, "'Roger concha'" <rogercv1@gmail.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
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-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Fry [mailto:rocco16@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:25 PM
To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net; Roger concha
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
it is his property to do what he wills with it.
Yep, ya' can't argue with that....
Larry
As soon as I get a chance, I will do just about the same to my Slegato.
I've been trying to sell it since a long time ago, and nobody is interested.
Lots of rust.
And I ain't going to sell it for 200$ as I need parts from it, the roof and
one quarter panel. Seats, door cards and badges are reserved for someone.
Ported head, ported intake manifold, 4-2 exhaust manifold, 272 cam and other
parts will sell via ebay.
I'll post pictures as well, but don't be comming crying at me yada yada
yada.
Nobody wants it? Chop it!
Cheers.
Marc
'83 Scirocco
'88 Scirocco Slegato soon to become history
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:16:15 -0500
From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@tds.net>
Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000601c4f3ae$d92dc110$0301a8c0@main>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
I've been trying to sell it since a long time ago, and nobody is
interested.
Lots of rust.
rust is understandable, but the original guy chopped a straight, clean,
alpine white 16v shell. its just a shame to see something like that happen.
i still felt bad after chopping that rocco i made the trailer from, even
though it had serious front end frame damage.
Al
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:20:07 -0500
From: GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Battery Tray Remvoal
To: Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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inductive spot welds hold it to the driver side rail.
So find a drill bit about that size and hit each one. I tried
removing the trays for the rear parcel shelf with a hammer and chisel
to rip the welds apart so I wouldn't be adding any more holes, but
ended up doing more damage than drilling (which I switched to after
about 5-6 spots).
Where's your battery?
-Grant-
------------------------------
Message: 19
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:47:09 -0500
From: GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: will start, but won't stay running
To: Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <50bda39a05010521475e95000b@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Fuel pump relay is also my guess.
I'd diagnose that one by jumpering the relay (pull off the L relay
(one with the fust on it) and bridge L13-L14 with a little piece of
wire - you should really use a wire with a fuse (16A) in it, but if
you don't I won't tell anyone ;) and trying to run the car.
If it runs, try replacing the relay. If that works, great.
If not, looking at the wiring diagrams, it's also possible that you're
having more general problems in circuit 15, the switched power. While
cranking, it appears that the starter will actually send power into
the circuit (someone correct me if I'm wrong, but one of the poles in
the starter relay connects to the circuit via the ignition coil,
though there is a resistor inline as well). Are you having any other
weird problems with other electrical stuff, such as intruments? If
you have a multitester, you might try plugging positive into L16 and
grounding the negative anywhere and monitoring the voltage as you try
to start and run the car to make sure you're getting sufficient power
to the relay.
Also, if by some chance jumpering the relay works but replacing it
doesn't and you don't feel like diagnosing larger problems, you can
put a switch in the jumper and power the fuel pump manually. That's
what I do, it's like an added security feature ;) just don't forget
to turn it off when you park.
Looking at the troubleshooting section in my Clymer manual, it also
appears that the air sensor plate in the CIS box could be at fault, or
there could be a significant leak in the intake line somewhere between
the fuel distributor and the head. Those might be worth taking a
quick look at as well.
-Grant-
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:51:38 -0500, John S. Lagnese <jlagnese@massed.net> wrote:
I seem to recall that someone had this problem before, Wasn't there a fuel
pump problem or fuel pump relay problem?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Lowe" <nathanlowe@charter.net >
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org >
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:31 AM
Subject: will start, but won't stay running
My car (a '79 w/ 2.0 aba swap) is having a problem staying running. I can
start it fine, but once I turn the key from the "start" to "run" position it
dies. It was doing this a few months ago but stopped on its own. Now it's
doing it again. The battery is fine and I just replaced the ignition switch
trying to fix the problem, nothing is different. I'm stumped as to where to
go next with this? Any ideas what it could be and how I could check that?
I'm a novice here so please be kind in your explinations :)
Nathan
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 00:24:11 -0500
From: "Peter" <peter@thescirocco.com>
Subject: RE: Battery Tray Remvoal
To: "'GGehrke'" <ggehrke@gmail.com>, "'Scirocco list'"
<Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <200501060026843.SM01408@thedellou812>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
They also sell spot weld removers, they only drill through the weld.
Harbor Freight sells it...
Peter
http://thescirocco.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of GGehrke
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:20 AM
To: Scirocco list
Subject: Re: Battery Tray Remvoal
inductive spot welds hold it to the driver side rail.
So find a drill bit about that size and hit each one. I tried
removing the trays for the rear parcel shelf with a hammer and chisel
to rip the welds apart so I wouldn't be adding any more holes, but
ended up doing more damage than drilling (which I switched to after
about 5-6 spots).
Where's your battery?
-Grant-
------------------------------
Message: 21
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:21:25 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: "'Scourge'" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<20050106062125.IKKW1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@lapinP4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Ok, but FYI it is a hydro head and cam (8V).
It is a stock solid cam reground to wilder hydro specs done by some shop in
Washington state.
It spun the motor all the way up to 6800rpms. It had a bit of a rough idle.
Nothing to happen until March as I am too busy right now.
Cheers.
Marc
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Scourge [mailto:scourge@cogeco.ca]
Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 00:48
@ : marc_scirocco
Objet : Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
> And I ain't going to sell it for 200$ as I need parts from it, the
> roof
and
> one quarter panel. Seats, door cards and badges are
reserved for someone.
>
> Ported head, ported intake manifold, 4-2 exhaust manifold,
272 cam and
other
> parts will sell via ebay.
>
Let me know when you decide to start parting it, I may be
interested in the cam, I'm thinking I need a little more then
the G-grind :P
How did you find the cam? Best power in what range? How's the
idle? Who made the cam?
thanx
-George
------------------------------
Message: 22
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:42:21 -0500
From: "Peter" <peter@thescirocco.com>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: "'marc_scirocco'" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>, "'Scourge'"
<scourge@cogeco.ca>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <200501060144453.SM01408@thedellou812>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
...That kinda sounds like the Autotech solid lifter 286 cam.
http://www.autotech.com/catalog/cam_vt.htm :
The last word in performance solid lifter cams. This cam runs strong after
3000 rpm and peaks at 6800 rpm, netting a 13 horsepower gain. The profile is
11.2mm lift with a 286 degree duration measured (the European way) at 0.1mm
check clearance. Translated, this is 0.436 inches lift and 243 degrees of
duration at 0.050" check clearance. The AUTOTECH Sport 2860 solid lifter cam
works best on injected cars that are already extensively modified. This cam
requires the use of SportTuned valve springs and may require lifter bore
clearancing on 1.6L and 1.7L production cylinderheads. Lifetime warranty
I installed the 286 cam in Mars' 1.7L, lumpy idle, and it really woke up the
1.7L engine at 4000RPM, and it pulls strong to 7000RPM. :)
I took Mark Fokkens for a drive in it at Waterfest, maybe he can chime in...
The little engine that could...
Peter
http://thescirocco.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of marc_scirocco
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:21 AM
To: 'Scourge'
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
Ok, but FYI it is a hydro head and cam (8V).
It is a stock solid cam reground to wilder hydro specs done by some shop in
Washington state.
It spun the motor all the way up to 6800rpms. It had a bit of a rough idle.
Nothing to happen until March as I am too busy right now.
Cheers.
Marc
------------------------------
Message: 23
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:59:26 -0500
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: peter@thescirocco.com
Cc: Scourge <scourge@cogeco.ca>
Message-ID: <c047f1910501052259d10018@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:42:21 -0500, Peter <peter@thescirocco.com> wrote:
I installed the 286 cam in Mars' 1.7L, lumpy idle, and it really woke up the
1.7L engine at 4000RPM, and it pulls strong to 7000RPM. :)
I took Mark Fokkens for a drive in it at Waterfest, maybe he can chime in...
The little engine that could...
Definitely the quickest 1.7L I've experienced, that's for sure...
Felt like a much bigger engine - especially at the top end - even with
those tiny valves! Put this cam in a big valve head and it'd be even
more impressive...
Mark.
75
80 S
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
------------------------------
Message: 24
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:01:49 -0500
From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fender Removal
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <BAY104-F28BCCB44F67E2B17FD817A8E930@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
After i inquired about the battery tray, i headed for the garage to take off
my fenders, holy shit what a job...some incriminating photos of myself can
be found here, i'm the big bastard...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=13
Bryan
Fort McMurray, AB
81 Volkswagen Scirocco
------------------------------
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:04:15 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: <peter@thescirocco.com>, "'Scourge'" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<20050106070414.TVYS1919.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@lapinP4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
0.441 inches of lift. But it is a hydro cam.
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Peter [mailto:peter@thescirocco.com]
Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 01:42
@ : 'marc_scirocco'; 'Scourge'
Cc : scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Objet : RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
...That kinda sounds like the Autotech solid lifter 286 cam.
http://www.autotech.com/catalog/cam_vt.htm :
The last word in performance solid lifter cams. This cam runs
strong after 3000 rpm and peaks at 6800 rpm, netting a 13
horsepower gain. The profile is 11.2mm lift with a 286 degree
duration measured (the European way) at 0.1mm check
clearance. Translated, this is 0.436 inches lift and 243
degrees of duration at 0.050" check clearance. The AUTOTECH
Sport 2860 solid lifter cam works best on injected cars that
are already extensively modified. This cam requires the use
of SportTuned valve springs and may require lifter bore
clearancing on 1.6L and 1.7L production cylinderheads.
Lifetime warranty
I installed the 286 cam in Mars' 1.7L, lumpy idle, and it
really woke up the 1.7L engine at 4000RPM, and it pulls
strong to 7000RPM. :)
I took Mark Fokkens for a drive in it at Waterfest, maybe he
can chime in...
The little engine that could...
Peter
http://thescirocco.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of marc_scirocco
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:21 AM
To: 'Scourge'
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
Ok, but FYI it is a hydro head and cam (8V).
It is a stock solid cam reground to wilder hydro specs done
by some shop in Washington state.
It spun the motor all the way up to 6800rpms. It had a bit of
a rough idle.
Nothing to happen until March as I am too busy right now.
Cheers.
Marc
------------------------------
Message: 26
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:14:41 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Fender Removal
To: "'Bryan Rankin'" <d_x20@hotmail.com>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID:
<20050106071440.NRCX19622.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@lapinP4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Sheesh, on my old chevys, I used to WELD metal to fix fenders more rusted
than yours.
And remember this guy?
<<http://together.net/~manycj/garage.htm>>
Hopefully you got some nice replacement lined up.
Cheers.
Marc
-----Message d'origine-----
De : scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] De la part de Bryan Rankin
Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 02:02
@ : scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Objet : Fender Removal
After i inquired about the battery tray, i headed for the
garage to take off my fenders, holy shit what a job...some
incriminating photos of myself can be found here, i'm the big
bastard...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=13
Bryan
Fort McMurray, AB
81 Volkswagen Scirocco
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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:16:55 -0800
From: "Dick Y Wong" <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>
Subject: RE: Aerodymanic studies
To: "Julie Macfarlane" <juliemac57@hotmail.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <003401c4f3bf$b3d0df90$6501a8c0@dickvaio>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Julie,
I think Road & Track did a study on Mk1 aerodynamics in the early 80s. I
know because I did a presentation with stats and overheads for a class in
college and I used data and pictures from the article. I wish I knew where
that presentation was now. If anyone has R&T mags from the 80s you might be
able to find it.
-Dick-
78 Scirocco
Original Owner
95 Passat GLX
Second Owner
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Julie Macfarlane
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:21 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Aerodymanic studies
Any one ever see an air flow analysis of the MKI? You know where it shows
the air flow pattern over the top of the car?
I would love to see it if it is available.
Or if some one has the software? (Pleeeeze)
Julie Macfarlane
"Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
Amsterdam NY
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:31:16 -0500
From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Fender Removal
To: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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Yeah, i'm a bit chickenshit, i have two replacements lined up, 1 is a guy in
lower bc, but his fenders are still on the car, which scares the hell out of
me because of the time i just had taking them off, and fiberglass ones from
a company, whose name I can't recall...don't I sound prepared. We have a
welder, but i'd rather have as many non-welded peices on their as I can,
because at 17, the only real welding experience I have is in school.
Bryan
Fort McMurray, AB
81 Volkswagen Scirocco
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:44:12 -0500
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Subject: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <c047f19105010523445f0277a1@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
I just bought a set of wheels for my Audi, and the clearcoat isn't in
the best of shape anymore - making the wheels look like ass... Anyone
know of a product or procedure that'll allow me to remove the crappy
clearcoat without removing the paint below it? I'd like to make them
look a little better, but not go through the bother and expense of
completely restoring them...
Thanks!
Mark.
75
80 S
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
------------------------------
Message: 30
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:56:31 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Aerodymanic studies
To: "'Dick Y Wong'" <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>, "'Julie Macfarlane'"
<juliemac57@hotmail.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<20050106075631.MYEC1836.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@lapinP4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Only MKIIs...
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/SCIR10.JPG>>
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/WIND_TSC.JPG>>
-----Message d'origine-----
De : scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] De la part de Dick Y Wong
Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 02:17
@ : Julie Macfarlane
Cc : scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Objet : RE: Aerodymanic studies
Julie,
I think Road & Track did a study on Mk1 aerodynamics in the
early 80s. I know because I did a presentation with stats
and overheads for a class in college and I used data and
pictures from the article. I wish I knew where that
presentation was now. If anyone has R&T mags from the 80s
you might be able to find it.
-Dick-
78 Scirocco
Original Owner
95 Passat GLX
Second Owner
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Julie Macfarlane
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:21 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Aerodymanic studies
Any one ever see an air flow analysis of the MKI? You know
where it shows the air flow pattern over the top of the car?
I would love to see it if it is available.
Or if some one has the software? (Pleeeeze)
Julie Macfarlane
"Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
Amsterdam NY
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Message: 31
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:58:29 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Fender Removal
To: "'Bryan Rankin'" <d_x20@hotmail.com>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID:
<20050106075828.ESJD2034.tomts20-srv.bellnexxia.net@lapinP4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
No sweat, plenty of spares around:
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/kar_mk1side.jpg>>
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Bryan Rankin [mailto:d_x20@hotmail.com]
Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 02:31
@ : marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Objet : RE: Fender Removal
Yeah, i'm a bit chickenshit, i have two replacements lined
up, 1 is a guy in lower bc, but his fenders are still on the
car, which scares the hell out of me because of the time i
just had taking them off, and fiberglass ones from a company,
whose name I can't recall...don't I sound prepared. We have
a welder, but i'd rather have as many non-welded peices on
their as I can, because at 17, the only real welding
experience I have is in school.
Bryan
Fort McMurray, AB
81 Volkswagen Scirocco
------------------------------
Message: 32
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:59:40 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID:
<20050106075938.CVVI1899.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@lapinP4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Agreed.
What to do with an empty shell:
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/520908.jpg>>
Cheers.
Marc
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De : scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] De la part de Allyn
Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 00:16
@ : scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Objet : Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
> I've been trying to sell it since a long time ago, and nobody is
> interested.
> Lots of rust.
rust is understandable, but the original guy chopped a
straight, clean, alpine white 16v shell. its just a shame to
see something like that happen.
i still felt bad after chopping that rocco i made the trailer
from, even though it had serious front end frame damage.
Al
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Message: 33
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:10:08 -0800
From: "Shannon" <16volt@scirocco16v.com>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: "'marc_scirocco'" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>,
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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And even that thing never sold! Scirocco people short of Ghia guys are the
cheapest people in the hood.
Shannon
www.scirocco16v.com
Now STOLEN http://www.scirocco16v.com/stolen.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of marc_scirocco
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:00 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
Agreed.
What to do with an empty shell:
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/520908.jpg>>
Cheers.
Marc
-----Message d'origine-----
De : scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] De la part de Allyn
Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 00:16
@ : scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Objet : Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
> I've been trying to sell it since a long time ago, and nobody is
> interested.
> Lots of rust.
rust is understandable, but the original guy chopped a
straight, clean, alpine white 16v shell. its just a shame to
see something like that happen.
i still felt bad after chopping that rocco i made the trailer
from, even though it had serious front end frame damage.
Al
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Message: 34
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:10:08 -0800
From: "Shannon" <16volt@scirocco16v.com>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: "'Allyn'" <amalventano1@tds.net>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Without seeing it and the carfax you have no idea how clean it was.
Shannon
www.scirocco16v.com
Now STOLEN http://www.scirocco16v.com/stolen.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Allyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:16 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
I've been trying to sell it since a long time ago, and nobody is
interested.
Lots of rust.
rust is understandable, but the original guy chopped a straight, clean,
alpine white 16v shell. its just a shame to see something like that happen.
i still felt bad after chopping that rocco i made the trailer from, even
though it had serious front end frame damage.
Al
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Message: 35
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 05:51:43 -0500
From: David Winchell <xavsbud@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Question for the Boosted guys....
To: cory <corylang@dccnet.com>
Cc: "David L. Winchell, II" <davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
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Thanks for all the help guys. I finally got the chance to take the car
out for a good drive on better roads than in my neighborhood. I do
have boost. At a much higher range than before. Once I get the
chance to change that leaking gasket it should drop back to the normal
range, correct? Just wanting to make sure that everything is right.
This is not my daily driver, but wanting this car to be as good as
possible.
Thanks again for all the help,
Dave
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'87 Scirocco 2.0L 16V
'86 Scirocco
'84 Scirocco
'01 Galant V6
'00 Silverado
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Message: 36
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 11:56:07 +0000
From: "Julie Macfarlane" <juliemac57@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Aerodymanic studies
To: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca, sailingfc@dslextreme.com
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <BAY15-F287D5385B6CEF6186EEBC3DD930@phx.gbl>
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Wonderful! Gives me an idea what the flow looks like. Thanks!
Julie Macfarlane
"Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
Amsterdam NY
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
To: "'Dick Y Wong'" <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>,"'Julie Macfarlane'"
<juliemac57@hotmail.com>
CC: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Subject: RE: Aerodymanic studies
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:56:31 -0500
Only MKIIs...
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/SCIR10.JPG>>
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/WIND_TSC.JPG>>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] De la part de Dick Y Wong
> Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 02:17
> @ : Julie Macfarlane
> Cc : scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Objet : RE: Aerodymanic studies
>
> Julie,
>
> I think Road & Track did a study on Mk1 aerodynamics in the
> early 80s. I know because I did a presentation with stats
> and overheads for a class in college and I used data and
> pictures from the article. I wish I knew where that
> presentation was now. If anyone has R&T mags from the 80s
> you might be able to find it.
>
> -Dick-
> 78 Scirocco
> Original Owner
> 95 Passat GLX
> Second Owner
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Julie Macfarlane
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:21 AM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Aerodymanic studies
>
>
> Any one ever see an air flow analysis of the MKI? You know
> where it shows the air flow pattern over the top of the car?
> I would love to see it if it is available.
>
> Or if some one has the software? (Pleeeeze)
>
> Julie Macfarlane
> "Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
> 1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
> Amsterdam NY
>
>
>
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Message: 37
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:30:40 -0500
From: GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fender Removal
To: Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:58:29 -0500, marc_scirocco
<marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca> wrote:
No sweat, plenty of spares around:
<<www.lesabotage.com/photos/Scirocco/kar_mk1side.jpg >>
Geez. I wish!
-Grant-
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Bryan Rankin [mailto:d_x20@hotmail.com ]
> Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 02:31
> @ : marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Objet : RE: Fender Removal
>
>
> Yeah, i'm a bit chickenshit, i have two replacements lined
> up, 1 is a guy in lower bc, but his fenders are still on the
> car, which scares the hell out of me because of the time i
> just had taking them off, and fiberglass ones from a company,
> whose name I can't recall...don't I sound prepared. We have
> a welder, but i'd rather have as many non-welded peices on
> their as I can, because at 17, the only real welding
> experience I have is in school.
>
>
> Bryan
> Fort McMurray, AB
> 81 Volkswagen Scirocco
>
>
>
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Message: 38
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:21:46 -0500
From: Mike Smith <smithma7@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: NOW: Something David doesn't know? WAS: Light makes
right?
To: miT <miT@lunartransmission.com>, car <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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:P Still a cool number tho, eh?
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:25:52 -0800, miT <miT@lunartransmission.com> wrote:
Mike Smith wrote:
>Not sure if you know this already or not, but the number 9 is really
>incredible. Multiply any number by 9. Take the result and if more
>than one digit, then add the digits together. If that result is more
>than one digit, add them again. Repeat until there is only one digit
>left in the total. Guess what number it is.... 9!
>
>Pretty neat, eh?
>
>Examples:
>9 x 9 = 81, 8 + 1 = 9
>9 x 351 = 3159, 3 + 1 + 5 + 9 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9
>
>I figured this one out years ago and it always blows me away.
>
>On other 9 news: Beaver Cleaver's locker number: 9. Revolution No.
>9. 9 pennies weigh one ounce. And there's more!
>
>Scirocco related: I've owned mine ALMOST 9 years.
>
>
>
geek :)
/miT
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Message: 39
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 07:14:29 -0600
From: "Brian Wagner" <dagnamit@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
To: "'Mark F.'" <mk1mark@gmail.com>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <41dd39bd.25c63ff2.2446.13a7@smtp.gmail.com>
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Simple answer, no.
Time to start over.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Mark F.
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:44 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
I just bought a set of wheels for my Audi, and the clearcoat isn't in
the best of shape anymore - making the wheels look like ass... Anyone
know of a product or procedure that'll allow me to remove the crappy
clearcoat without removing the paint below it? I'd like to make them
look a little better, but not go through the bother and expense of
completely restoring them...
Thanks!
Mark.
75
80 S
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
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Message: 40
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:28:32 -0500
From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown
To: "Lars Bruchmann" <pilotlars@yahoo.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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Obviously an extreme example.
Lightening the flywheel of a Scirocco will not effect clutch or flywheel life unless you're a real
fumblebuss and you just have to rev the piss out of the engine to get the car going with the lighter
flywheel!
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
and i'm sure that clutch and flywheel don't have to
last 100k or 150k miles either.
--- Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Lightening a flywheel is just the same as removing
> weight from your car except it's primary effect
> is reducing rotational inertia as opposed to just
> lightening the car. There is no change in engine
> HP or torque as a result of changing flywheel
> weight.
> Rotational inertia can be correlated to vehicle
> weight, so you can calculate the effective weight
> reduction. It's just that the effect is different in
> different gears. Relatively large effect in
> 1st, small effect in 5th.
> There's a performance gain. It isn't huge. It may
> not be worth the money. But it's there.
> And No! the laws of physics haven't changed.
>
> As a case in point, anybody seen a Formula 1 crank,
> flywheel and clutch. Just to give you an idea,
> the clutch plate diameter is 4.5" or less and the
> flywheel is really just an attachment plate for
> the clutch. Two reasons for the small diameter
> clutch; lower engine center of gravity and lower
> rotational inertia.
> The ultimate lightened flywheel.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 10:06 PM
> Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
>
>
> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 09:31:50 -0600, "David Utley"
> <fahrvegnugen@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >Next, Dan will tell me that I was right about
> heavier flywheels increasing
> >mileage... :)
>
> I must have missed that one. FWIW, Drake considered
> lightened
> flywheels a waste of money. Not bad.. just no net
> performance gain.
> I got the physics lecture from Robert Collins when I
> asked about it
> and those laws haven't been changed in last 20
> years, have they? :-)
> Gordon
> 75 Scirocco/Drake 1.9 8V
> http://pws.prserv.net/scirocco/scirocco.htm
>
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Message: 41
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:03:59 -0500
From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Fender Removal
To: d_x20@hotmail.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <BAY3-F853A77718C1EF650E55CCC1930@phx.gbl>
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Damn, you need to invest in some lighting!
John
From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Fender Removal
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:01:49 -0500
After i inquired about the battery tray, i headed for the garage to take
off my fenders, holy shit what a job...some incriminating photos of myself
can be found here, i'm the big bastard...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=13
Bryan
Fort McMurray, AB
81 Volkswagen Scirocco
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Message: 42
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 9:05:09 -0500
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<20050106140509.YAYJ20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Date: 2005/01/05 Wed PM 11:54:35 EST
Nobody wants it? Chop it!
Cheers.
Marc
'83 Scirocco
'88 Scirocco Slegato soon to become history
You, you bastid! How dare you cut up something you own, that I want, and can't afford! I mean, come on! Have a heart, and keep the faith! You can't cut up something you need because I want it, can you?! I mean, I could use it. Surely my needs outweigh yours, the rightful owner. I mean, I want a Slegato! And I have wanted one for many years! Therefore, I think you should give it to me and not chop it up for your own benefit, or to recoup your losses on it! It only makes sense (to me).
The last phrase is the key to the whole paragraph, at least from where I am sitting...
David <---- Who is running, ducking, hiding, and shutting up, for now... :-)
Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Message: 43
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:05:43 -0500
From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: 16volt@scirocco16v.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <BAY3-F16ED5CCDA6B67A2759833DC1930@phx.gbl>
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Very true, but from his pictures of the car, before and after, before and
after being chopped, it looked awfully clean. So if there was rust it had
to be pretty minor.
John
From: "Shannon" <16volt@scirocco16v.com>
To: "'Allyn'" <amalventano1@tds.net>,<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 01:10:08 -0800
Without seeing it and the carfax you have no idea how clean it was.
Shannon
www.scirocco16v.com
Now STOLEN http://www.scirocco16v.com/stolen.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Allyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:16 PM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
> I've been trying to sell it since a long time ago, and nobody is
> interested.
> Lots of rust.
rust is understandable, but the original guy chopped a straight, clean,
alpine white 16v shell. its just a shame to see something like that happen.
i still felt bad after chopping that rocco i made the trailer from, even
though it had serious front end frame damage.
Al
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Message: 44
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 9:06:49 -0500
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
To: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<20050106140648.YBQR20686.lakermmtao07.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
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Prolly a Delta cam...
David
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 01:21:25 EST
To: "'Scourge'" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
Ok, but FYI it is a hydro head and cam (8V).
It is a stock solid cam reground to wilder hydro specs done by some shop in
Washington state.
It spun the motor all the way up to 6800rpms. It had a bit of a rough idle.
Nothing to happen until March as I am too busy right now.
Cheers.
Marc
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Scourge [mailto:scourge@cogeco.ca]
> Envoyi : 6 janvier 2005 00:48
> @ : marc_scirocco
> Objet : Re: this guy deserves a serious beatdown
>
>
>
> > And I ain't going to sell it for 200$ as I need parts from it, the
> > roof
> and
> > one quarter panel. Seats, door cards and badges are
> reserved for someone.
> >
> > Ported head, ported intake manifold, 4-2 exhaust manifold,
> 272 cam and
> other
> > parts will sell via ebay.
> >
>
> Let me know when you decide to start parting it, I may be
> interested in the cam, I'm thinking I need a little more then
> the G-grind :P
>
> How did you find the cam? Best power in what range? How's the
> idle? Who made the cam?
>
> thanx
> -George
>
>
>
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Message: 45
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 9:15:23 -0500
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Fender Removal
To: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<20050106141523.RAKK16431.lakermmtao05.cox.net@smtp.east.cox.net>
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This is the VW list, sir. If you are looking for Fords, this ain't the place... :-)
David
From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 09:03:59 EST
To: d_x20@hotmail.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: RE: Fender Removal
Damn, you need to invest in some lighting!
John
>From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Fender Removal
>Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:01:49 -0500
>
>
>After i inquired about the battery tray, i headed for the garage to take
>off my fenders, holy shit what a job...some incriminating photos of myself
>can be found here, i'm the big bastard...
>
>
>http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=13
>
>Bryan
>Fort McMurray, AB
>81 Volkswagen Scirocco
>
>
>
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Message: 46
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:31:05 -0500
From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Subject: Re: RE: Fender Removal
To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <BAY3-F57FF9BD0B6939394834B5C1930@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
What does my comment on his lack of lighting
have to do with Fords? I can't even imagine where
that came from.
John
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Reply-To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net
To: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
CC: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Subject: Re: RE: Fender Removal
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 9:15:23 -0500
This is the VW list, sir. If you are looking for Fords, this ain't the
place... :-)
David
>
> From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
> Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 09:03:59 EST
> To: d_x20@hotmail.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: RE: Fender Removal
>
> Damn, you need to invest in some lighting!
>
> John
>
> >From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
> >To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >Subject: Fender Removal
> >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:01:49 -0500
> >
> >
> >After i inquired about the battery tray, i headed for the garage to
take
> >off my fenders, holy shit what a job...some incriminating photos of
myself
> >can be found here, i'm the big bastard...
> >
> >
> >http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=13
> >
> >Bryan
> >Fort McMurray, AB
> >81 Volkswagen Scirocco
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Message: 47
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:16:48 -0500
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Fender Removal
To: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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Nothing. I am a 'tard with dyslexia, I saw 'lightning' instead...
Please disregard my previous message everyone if you have not already done so...
david
From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 09:31:05 EST
To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: RE: Fender Removal
What does my comment on his lack of lighting
have to do with Fords? I can't even imagine where
that came from.
John
>From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
>Reply-To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net
>To: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
>CC: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: RE: Fender Removal
>Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 9:15:23 -0500
>
>This is the VW list, sir. If you are looking for Fords, this ain't the
>place... :-)
>
>David
> >
> > From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
> > Date: 2005/01/06 Thu AM 09:03:59 EST
> > To: d_x20@hotmail.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: RE: Fender Removal
> >
> > Damn, you need to invest in some lighting!
> >
> > John
> >
> > >From: "Bryan Rankin" <d_x20@hotmail.com>
> > >To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > >Subject: Fender Removal
> > >Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 02:01:49 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >After i inquired about the battery tray, i headed for the garage to
>take
> > >off my fenders, holy shit what a job...some incriminating photos of
>myself
> > >can be found here, i'm the big bastard...
> > >
> > >
> > >http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeropost?cmd=fshow&id=13
> > >
> > >Bryan
> > >Fort McMurray, AB
> > >81 Volkswagen Scirocco
Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Message: 48
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:54:42 -0800
From: Gordon Forbess <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 02:44:12 -0500, "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
wrote:
I just bought a set of wheels for my Audi, and the clearcoat isn't in
the best of shape anymore - making the wheels look like ass... Anyone
know of a product or procedure that'll allow me to remove the crappy
clearcoat without removing the paint below it? I'd like to make them
look a little better, but not go through the bother and expense of
completely restoring them...
As already stated.. no. Lacquer thinner, rubber gloves, mask, lots of
rags, fine emery cloth for nicks, and your time. Assuming your wheels
are silver, buy a couple of cans (not cheap and may be hard to find
locally) Wurth silver paint and clear coat to refinish. It is, AFAIK
the correct color/paint manufacturer for all German cars. I
refinished the wheels on my Mercedes coupe (17-hole painted alloys) a
year ago and they look new and absolutely correct.
Gordon
75 Mk I/Drake 1.9
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/scirocco.htm
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Message: 49
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 10:51:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: Here we go again, was Re: this guy deserves a serious
beatdown
To: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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<1076.216.209.129.184.1105026695.squirrel@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
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Obviously an extreme example.
Lightening the flywheel of a Scirocco will not effect clutch or flywheel
life unless you're a real
fumblebuss and you just have to rev the piss out of the engine to get the
car going with the lighter
flywheel!
I like mine, and have no complaints at all. (this is a from a non-
engineering standpoint, purely from a driver's perspective) It revs back
down faster, no biggie, and it's NOT easier to stall. It spins up SO fast.
And we got more life out of the clutch on the light flywheel than we did
out of the previous ones on the heavy flywheel, mind you, they weren't
identical clutches so it's not a fair comparison. I'd say don't take too
much off, get it balanced, and enjoy it. I have seen one blow up (on a
Talon), it was not pretty (wrote the car off at about 100 mph), but that
wouldn't apply to our cars anyway, it was a really heavly modified car
that had been drag raced steadily for many years.
I'll probably get the MkI's done next time the clutch is off, I'm a fan of
this mod.
Cathy
1999 TDI New Beetle
1987 2L 16V Scirocco
1979 1.8L 10:1 8V
"Deja moo- the feeling you've heard this bull before"
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Message: 50
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:01:22 -0500
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
To: Gordon Forbess <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:54:42 -0800, Gordon Forbess
<gforbess@attglobal.net> wrote:
As already stated.. no. Lacquer thinner, rubber gloves, mask, lots of
rags, fine emery cloth for nicks, and your time. Assuming your wheels
are silver, buy a couple of cans (not cheap and may be hard to find
locally) Wurth silver paint and clear coat to refinish. It is, AFAIK
the correct color/paint manufacturer for all German cars. I
refinished the wheels on my Mercedes coupe (17-hole painted alloys) a
year ago and they look new and absolutely correct.
I was thinking media blasting the affected spots with a mild abrasive
(like walnut shells) JUST enough to remove the dark/flaky spots might
work, and then re-clear the whole wheel with rattle-can clear...
Later,
Mark.
75
80 S
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
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Message: 51
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:17:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "Sandor" <sandor@vwot.org>
Subject: Hey now...Silver 87 Scirocco 16V in the Ontario auto
trader...$900 CDN
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Cc: list@vwot.org
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<4792.142.108.83.26.1105028235.squirrel@www.lunaticfringe.org>
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(905)304-8462...this is in Ontario Canada for our stateside friends not
Ontario CA.
Looks all stock, passenger door doesn't match but at $900..who cares.
Anywho, thought I'd toss it out there since silver 16V scirocco's aren't
falling from the sky up here...somebody save this beast.
cheers
sandor
81 S
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Message: 52
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 12:29:45 -0500 (EST)
From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: Hey now...Silver 87 Scirocco 16V in the Ontario auto
trader...$900 CDN
To: "Sandor" <sandor@vwot.org>
Cc: list@vwot.org
Message-ID:
<1282.216.209.129.184.1105032585.squirrel@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
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(905)304-8462...this is in Ontario Canada for our stateside friends not
Ontario CA.
Looks all stock, passenger door doesn't match but at $900..who cares.
Anywho, thought I'd toss it out there since silver 16V scirocco's aren't
falling from the sky up here...somebody save this beast.
cheers
sandor
81 S
And I haven't looked at this one, but if it's still the stock colour, that
silver will be "Arctic Blue Metallic", not Flash Silver. And no, I don't
need another one. (What was that number again???)
Cathy
1999 TDI New Beetle
1987 2L Arctic Blue Metallic 16V Scirocco
1979 1.8L 10:1 8V
"Deja moo- the feeling you've heard this bull before"
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Message: 53
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 09:51:14 -0800
From: Gordon Forbess <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Removing clearcoat without affecting paint underneath???
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:01:22 -0500, "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 07:54:42 -0800, Gordon Forbess
<gforbess@attglobal.net> wrote:
As already stated.. no. Lacquer thinner, rubber gloves, mask, lots of
rags, fine emery cloth for nicks, and your time. Assuming your wheels
are silver, buy a couple of cans (not cheap and may be hard to find
locally) Wurth silver paint and clear coat to refinish. It is, AFAIK
the correct color/paint manufacturer for all German cars. I
refinished the wheels on my Mercedes coupe (17-hole painted alloys) a
year ago and they look new and absolutely correct.
I was thinking media blasting the affected spots with a mild abrasive
(like walnut shells) JUST enough to remove the dark/flaky spots might
work, and then re-clear the whole wheel with rattle-can clear...
Without seeing what you have to work with, I can't say. I had one
wheel totally "yellowed" and flaking clear coat. All of the others
had some clear coat problems and most had the usual scratches from
tire changing. Another had a nasty gash from a piece of steel that
fell off a truck in front of my wife on an LA freeway. The car had
around 200k miles at the time and the wheels showed it.
And, as you might guess from my Scirocco, I am anal about such things.
Reading Mercedes lists and listening to those guys, there is only one
way to do things or it's not "correct". Most modifications,
substitutions, and half-measures are frowned upon. In some respects,
the Benz gets a little better attention than the Rocc (and I rarely
get to drive it).
That's a very nice Audi model you have. If those are the wheels you
want to keep, (as well as the car) I'd go for the full re-do with the
genuine materials. But that's me.
Gordon
75 Mk I/Drake 1.9
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/scirocco.htm
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