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1. RE: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
Blue Mk1 (marc_scirocco)
2. RE: Rieger sold (David L. Winchell, II)
3. Question for the Boosted guys.... (David Winchell)
4. Re: Question for the Boosted guys.... (Dan Bubb)
5. RE: Stake your axle nuts! (Peter)
6. RE: Question for the Boosted guys.... (David L. Winchell, II)
7. Re: Question for the Boosted guys.... (Allyn)
8. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Mark F.)
9. "Wassersport" contact (Dick Y Wong)
10. Re: Under Coating (Gordy Stedman)
11. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (John S. Lagnese)
12. RE: Stake your axle nuts! (Dick Y Wong)
13. RE: Stake your axle nuts! (Patrick Bureau)
14. RE: Stake your axle nuts! (David Utley)
15. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Larry Fry)
16. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Larry Fry)
17. RE: Stake your axle nuts! (David Utley)
18. RE: Stake your axle nuts! (Dale Dillhoff)
19. Re: "Wassersport" contact (Neptuno)
20. Re: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat) (Neptuno)
21. Re: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat) (T Berk)
22. Re: What to Get your Scirocco for a late present (Dan Bubb)
23. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (JOHN WORDEN)
24. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Larry Fry)
25. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Daun Yeagley)
26. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Larry Fry)
27. [SPAM] Re: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (was Re: It's legal now)
(Dan Smith)
28. RE: What to Get your Scirocco for a late present (David Utley)
29. Re: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (was Re: It's legal now) (Larry Fry)
30. Re: Now: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (was Re: It's legal now)
(Larry Fry)
31. RE: Suggestions for Hose Supplier? (David Utley)
32. Re: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat) (Sal Guzzo)
33. Sig test (Nate Mellom)
34. Question about wheel spacers (Calimus)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:54:56 -0500
From: "marc_scirocco" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
Blue Mk1
To: "'T Berk'" <tberk@sbcglobal.net>, "'Scirocco email List'"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID:
<20050101185457.RKLV1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@lapinP4>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
but kept it tasteful, Kudos my good man. (Heh heh, Is it
still a carb'd
car?)
Here is an incentive to all us Rat Patrol folks who say
"It is mechanically sound, looks aren't important":
<http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/engine.jpg>
TBerk
I vote for Gordon's car as well!!
Hey Tberk, look carefully behind the strut bar, there is a carb all right in
there!
Cheers.
Marc
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:54:58 -0500
From: "David L. Winchell, II" <davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Rieger sold
To: "Andrew Wong" <mkii_84@yahoo.com>, "Allyn" <amalventano1@tds.net>,
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <OOEIIBGDDDGPLKBOEAANKEEIFFAA.davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Yes. It was I who scored Ryan's Rieger kit. Picking it up later this
weekend in fect. I talked for a good bit with Al last night. Going to shoot
for a 2006 debut with it if all goes well. I have wanted to build one of
these since I fell in love with the mkII and bought my first Rocc in 1987.
Now I will have the chance to build the car and make what I have always
wanted. I was lucky enough to live close enough to Al to get to see his
often. Have taken a few rides in his car that have left me with even more
desire to have one. I am sure we will post as much about the build as
possible when it starts.
Hope everyone is having a great New Year.
Dave
David L. Winchell, II
DavidWinchell2@sprynet.com
87 16V Scirocco
86 8V Scirocco
84 8V BBS Scirocco
86 8V Scirocco (Parts Car)
01 V6 Galant
00 Silverado
www.cardomain.com/id/xavsbud
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:35:28 -0500
From: David Winchell <xavsbud@gmail.com>
Subject: Question for the Boosted guys....
To: "Scirocco-l@scirocco.org" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <de8f417c0501011135f4350a7@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Ok, I have a problem that I want to verify it is what I think it is.
Back Ground: This is a Corrado G60 Motor (in a Rocc) the g-lader was
swapped for a Turbo.
The problem: I have an exhaust manifold gasket leak that has gotten worse.
The question: As of right now I am getting no boost. Is it that the
leak at the manifold/head is causing enough back pressure that the
turbo is not spooling? Or do I have another problem that I need to be
looking into?
Any help and suggestions would be great.
TAI for your help,
Dave
--
David L. Winchell, II
'87 Scirocco 2.0L 16V
'86 Scirocco
'84 Scirocco
'01 Galant V6
'00 Silverado
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:52:01 -0500
From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Question for the Boosted guys....
To: "David Winchell" <xavsbud@gmail.com>, "Scirocco-l@scirocco.org"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000a01c4f03b$5d44c060$4a54f7a5@home>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
If the leak is before the turbo then it's letting out the pressure needed to drive the turbo.
I'm suprised you're getting no boost though.
When this happened to my nephew's car the boost was really laggy, but it would get up to full boost
at higher RPM.
It's either a really big leak or something else is wrong.
Dan
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: Question for the Boosted guys....
Ok, I have a problem that I want to verify it is what I think it is.
Back Ground: This is a Corrado G60 Motor (in a Rocc) the g-lader was
swapped for a Turbo.
The problem: I have an exhaust manifold gasket leak that has gotten worse.
The question: As of right now I am getting no boost. Is it that the
leak at the manifold/head is causing enough back pressure that the
turbo is not spooling? Or do I have another problem that I need to be
looking into?
Any help and suggestions would be great.
TAI for your help,
Dave
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:21:18 -0500
From: "Peter" <peter@thescirocco.com>
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "'Mark F.'" <mk1mark@gmail.com>, "'Scirocco list'"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <200501011523671.SM01672@thedellou812>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Did the hubs slide in easily, when you installed them?
The hub is an intereference-fit, and shouldn't just slide into place.
The only time, I've had the axle nut work loose, was from the hub being worn
out, from the bad bearing, that I replaced, on a 16V Scirocco.
This is one fastener, that would be difficult to over-torque. I usually
stand on the end of the breaker bar, for the final torque, and I weigh
200lbs.
I hope my first post of the year was helpful...
Happy New Year!
Peter
http://thescirocco.com/
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Mark F.
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:44 PM
To: Scirocco list
Subject: Stake your axle nuts!
Well my friend Sean rang in the new year on the side of the highway
broken down in his 85 8v. He had the car towed to my place just after
midnight, and we discovered that the axle nut had worked it's way
loose and it looks like the hub/bearing is destroyed... The weird
thing is we just swapped out the hubs about a month ago with ones I
had lying around, and I remember specifically torquing the axle nuts
to the proper torque... SO, I guess the lesson in all this is to
stake the axle nuts - even though it's an "egg nut"...
Mark - sick with the flu on New Year's :(
75
80 S
81 Caddy - sold (whelp!)
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:00:37 -0500
From: "David L. Winchell, II" <davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
Subject: RE: Question for the Boosted guys....
To: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>, "David Winchell"
<xavsbud@gmail.com>, "Scirocco-l@scirocco.org"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <OOEIIBGDDDGPLKBOEAANKEEJFFAA.davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
The leak is really bad. It is VERY loud. I was getting boost up until
today. I am not hearing any spooling or the waste gate opening. I am new
to the turbo, so not sure what noises I should be hearing. I am not hearing
any of the ones I was hearing though. I run up to about 6500 rpm and no
extra power.
Thanks,
Dave
David L. Winchell, II
Winchell Appraisal Service
(843) 762-9577 (Phone)
(843) 406-1356 (Fax)
DavidWinchell2@sprynet.com
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Dan Bubb
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:52 PM
To: David Winchell; Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Question for the Boosted guys....
If the leak is before the turbo then it's letting out the pressure needed to
drive the turbo.
I'm suprised you're getting no boost though.
When this happened to my nephew's car the boost was really laggy, but it
would get up to full boost
at higher RPM.
It's either a really big leak or something else is wrong.
Dan
------------------------------
Message: 7
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:06:36 -0500
From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Question for the Boosted guys....
To: "David Winchell" <xavsbud@gmail.com>,
"Scirocco-l@scirocco.org" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c4f045$c7e06c80$0301a8c0@main>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original
that would have to be a hell of an exhaust leak to get no boost at all. so
bad that it would sound like straight exhaust in the engine bay - even at
idle.
wastegate may be stuck open.
Al
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Winchell" <xavsbud@gmail.com>
To: "Scirocco-l@scirocco.org" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: Question for the Boosted guys....
Ok, I have a problem that I want to verify it is what I think it is.
Back Ground: This is a Corrado G60 Motor (in a Rocc) the g-lader was
swapped for a Turbo.
The problem: I have an exhaust manifold gasket leak that has gotten
worse.
The question: As of right now I am getting no boost. Is it that the
leak at the manifold/head is causing enough back pressure that the
turbo is not spooling? Or do I have another problem that I need to be
looking into?
Any help and suggestions would be great.
TAI for your help,
Dave
--
David L. Winchell, II
'87 Scirocco 2.0L 16V
'86 Scirocco
'84 Scirocco
'01 Galant V6
'00 Silverado
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 16:17:09 -0500
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: peter@thescirocco.com
Cc: Scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <c047f19105010113175eb8abfb@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 15:21:18 -0500, Peter <peter@thescirocco.com> wrote:
Did the hubs slide in easily, when you installed them?
The hub is an intereference-fit, and shouldn't just slide into place.
The only time, I've had the axle nut work loose, was from the hub being worn
out, from the bad bearing, that I replaced, on a 16V Scirocco.
The hub/bearing was fine - it came from my totally stripped 81 S
(which just went to the junkyard yesterday), and had less than 5000 km
on it. There was no play in the bearing either. As soon as I get
over this flu I'll rip into it and see if I can figure out what
happened... I've never had an axle nut loosen on me before though, so
I'm curious as to what happened... Anyone else have this happen to
them?
Later,
Mark.
75
80 S
81 Caddy - Sold
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
------------------------------
Message: 9
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:38:27 -0800
From: "Dick Y Wong" <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>
Subject: "Wassersport" contact
To: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c4f04a$3aa6c2b0$6501a8c0@dickvaio>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
I contacted David Guido and below is the reply from him regarding
Wassersport.
< I did have this company, but it is gone as an actual business more than a
year ago, and I have had no requests for items during that span.
I don't know where or why all this new activity is coming from! Perhaps
when I was down at the big LA GTG last month folks got the idea
I was back in business, as I sold some stuff there. I do have lots of TEAM
SCIROCCO hats left as well as some "fender
covers". I will sell them for $10. plus shipping. I didn't received any
recent orders by mail (or e-mail). It's weird
to hear claims that an order was requested, as I have heard from no one!
If folks are interested in the remaining items, they should email me at:
davidguido@comcast.net >
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 13:43:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Gordy Stedman <ydrogstedman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Under Coating
To: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <20050101214333.57471.qmail@web90008.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I am locted in the suburbs of Portland, OR. I beleive that the humidity is relatively low especially this time of year. The directions do not have anything related to humidity and only says to apply to clean and dry surfaces. I am going to switch to a truck bed liner material and hopefully get the results I am looking for. Unfortunately, a can of that stuff costs around $20-$40 and I already paid $10 for the 2 cans of undercoating :( Happy New Year to all and thanks for all the input.
GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com> wrote:Where are you located? I know humitidy control plays a big part in
proper curing of paints like that too. It shouldn't be a problem in
winter, but for example POR-15 requires some level of humidity or
something goofy like that, so you might check if it says anything
about it. I've used a couple spraycan undercoat or truck liner type
products for one use or another, and haven't really found anything
i've been terribly happy with (with regards to durability), but then
I've also never had problems with it curing. Are you sure you were
supposed to primer first and that the primer is compatible?
-Grant-
Gordy S
P-Town, OR
79' Scirocco 8v X 2
80' Scirocco S 16v (work in progress)
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Okay, a few things, I was told that POR15 does need humidity to cure (or
whatever the hell it does) but that it is best to apply it on a dry day.
Also, whatever the undercoating is that's on my 16V never does set up very
hard, and I think this is a good thing, it gets quite runny under hot
conditions, and I think that helps it seep into cracks that water would
otherwise be doing evil things in. Anyone that's had the pleasure(?) of
working on my car will tell you it seems like you've been near an exploded
axle whenever you work on it. The car's very solid for an Ontario car, so
it seems to be working.
Cathy
I am locted in the suburbs of Portland, OR. I beleive that the humidity
is relatively low especially this time of year. The directions do not
have anything related to humidity and only says to apply to clean and dry
surfaces. I am going to switch to a truck bed liner material and
hopefully get the results I am looking for. Unfortunately, a can of that
stuff costs around $20-$40 and I already paid $10 for the 2 cans of
undercoating :( Happy New Year to all and thanks for all the input.
GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com> wrote:Where are you located? I know humitidy
control plays a big part in
proper curing of paints like that too. It shouldn't be a problem in
winter, but for example POR-15 requires some level of humidity or
something goofy like that, so you might check if it says anything
about it. I've used a couple spraycan undercoat or truck liner type
products for one use or another, and haven't really found anything
i've been terribly happy with (with regards to durability), but then
I've also never had problems with it curing. Are you sure you were
supposed to primer first and that the primer is compatible?
-Grant-
Gordy S
P-Town, OR
79' Scirocco 8v X 2
80' Scirocco S 16v (work in progress)
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:34:16 -0500
From: "John S. Lagnese" <jlagnese@massed.net>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, "Scirocco list"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <002801c4f05a$6a9e5220$7fc5e904@u7j6i8>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Did you re-use the nuts? Sometimes its worth giving them a fresh hit with a
chisel or some other item to compress the plastic.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
To: "Scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Stake your axle nuts!
Well my friend Sean rang in the new year on the side of the highway
broken down in his 85 8v. He had the car towed to my place just after
midnight, and we discovered that the axle nut had worked it's way
loose and it looks like the hub/bearing is destroyed... The weird
thing is we just swapped out the hubs about a month ago with ones I
had lying around, and I remember specifically torquing the axle nuts
to the proper torque... SO, I guess the lesson in all this is to
stake the axle nuts - even though it's an "egg nut"...
Mark - sick with the flu on New Year's :(
75
80 S
81 Caddy - sold (whelp!)
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:00:11 -0800
From: "Dick Y Wong" <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Cc: "John S. Lagnese" <jlagnese@massed.net>
Message-ID: <001501c4f06e$cadd3520$6501a8c0@dickvaio>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Blue Loctite is a good backup plan too. Plastic?, mine don't have a plastic
insert, all metal.
-Dick-
78 Scirocco
Original Owner
95 Passat GLX
Second Owner
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of John S. Lagnese
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 3:34 PM
To: Mark F.; Scirocco list
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
Did you re-use the nuts? Sometimes its worth giving them a fresh hit with a
chisel or some other item to compress the plastic.
John
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:59:26 -0600
From: "Patrick Bureau" <patrick.bureau@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "'Scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Plastic? Not on the rear axled main nut.. it's a NON reusable compression
nut.
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org [mailto:scirocco-l-
bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of John S. Lagnese
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:34 PM
To: Mark F.; Scirocco list
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
Did you re-use the nuts? Sometimes its worth giving them a fresh hit with
a
chisel or some other item to compress the plastic.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
To: "Scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Stake your axle nuts!
> Well my friend Sean rang in the new year on the side of the highway
> broken down in his 85 8v. He had the car towed to my place just after
> midnight, and we discovered that the axle nut had worked it's way
> loose and it looks like the hub/bearing is destroyed... The weird
> thing is we just swapped out the hubs about a month ago with ones I
> had lying around, and I remember specifically torquing the axle nuts
> to the proper torque... SO, I guess the lesson in all this is to
> stake the axle nuts - even though it's an "egg nut"...
>
> Mark - sick with the flu on New Year's :(
> 75
> 80 S
> 81 Caddy - sold (whelp!)
> 90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
>
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> Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:44:38 -0600
From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Patrick Bureau" <patrick.bureau@gmail.com>, "'Scirocco list'"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Not to be the person to dissent, but I disagree. There is no note in ETKA
or Vesis about not reusing these, esp. if they are indeed a 'smashed' nut
that locks in place...
David
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Bureau
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:59 PM
To: 'Scirocco list'
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
Plastic? Not on the rear axled main nut.. it's a NON reusable compression
nut.
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org [mailto:scirocco-l-
bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of John S. Lagnese
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:34 PM
To: Mark F.; Scirocco list
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
Did you re-use the nuts? Sometimes its worth giving them a fresh hit with
a
chisel or some other item to compress the plastic.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
To: "Scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:43 PM
Subject: Stake your axle nuts!
> Well my friend Sean rang in the new year on the side of the highway
> broken down in his 85 8v. He had the car towed to my place just after
> midnight, and we discovered that the axle nut had worked it's way
> loose and it looks like the hub/bearing is destroyed... The weird
> thing is we just swapped out the hubs about a month ago with ones I
> had lying around, and I remember specifically torquing the axle nuts
> to the proper torque... SO, I guess the lesson in all this is to
> stake the axle nuts - even though it's an "egg nut"...
>
> Mark - sick with the flu on New Year's :(
> 75
> 80 S
> 81 Caddy - sold (whelp!)
> 90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:25:25 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>, "Patrick Bureau"
<patrick.bureau@gmail.com>, "'Scirocco list'"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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One is never to re-use lock nuts.
even though we do...
larry
sandiego16v
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
To: "Patrick Bureau" <patrick.bureau@gmail.com>; "'Scirocco list'"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
Not to be the person to dissent, but I disagree. There is no note in ETKA
or Vesis about not reusing these, esp. if they are indeed a 'smashed' nut
that locks in place...
David
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Bureau
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:59 PM
To: 'Scirocco list'
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
Plastic? Not on the rear axled main nut.. it's a NON reusable compression
nut.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org [mailto:scirocco-l-
> bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of John S. Lagnese
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:34 PM
> To: Mark F.; Scirocco list
> Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
>
> Did you re-use the nuts? Sometimes its worth giving them a fresh hit
with
> a
> chisel or some other item to compress the plastic.
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
> To: "Scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:43 PM
> Subject: Stake your axle nuts!
>
>
> > Well my friend Sean rang in the new year on the side of the highway
> > broken down in his 85 8v. He had the car towed to my place just after
> > midnight, and we discovered that the axle nut had worked it's way
> > loose and it looks like the hub/bearing is destroyed... The weird
> > thing is we just swapped out the hubs about a month ago with ones I
> > had lying around, and I remember specifically torquing the axle nuts
> > to the proper torque... SO, I guess the lesson in all this is to
> > stake the axle nuts - even though it's an "egg nut"...
> >
> > Mark - sick with the flu on New Year's :(
> > 75
> > 80 S
> > 81 Caddy - sold (whelp!)
> > 90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
> >
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 20:27:35 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, <peter@thescirocco.com>
Cc: Scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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I've never had an axle nut loosen on me before though, so
I'm curious as to what happened... Anyone else have this happen to
them?
the only time this has happened to me was when the bearings were in the
process of going south.
Larry
sandiego16v
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:41:19 -0600
From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>, "Patrick Bureau"
<patrick.bureau@gmail.com>, "'Scirocco list'"
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If they are Nylock, I understand. However, I personally have never had a
problem with reusing the squished nuts. Rod bolt nuts, stub axle nuts,
exhaust nuts... Only the later has gotten weaker, and even then they rarely
back off... Again, in my experience...
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Fry [mailto:rocco16@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:25 PM
To: David Utley; Patrick Bureau; 'Scirocco list'
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
One is never to re-use lock nuts.
even though we do...
larry
sandiego16v
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
To: "Patrick Bureau" <patrick.bureau@gmail.com>; "'Scirocco list'"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
Not to be the person to dissent, but I disagree. There is no note in ETKA
or Vesis about not reusing these, esp. if they are indeed a 'smashed' nut
that locks in place...
David
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Bureau
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:59 PM
To: 'Scirocco list'
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
Plastic? Not on the rear axled main nut.. it's a NON reusable compression
nut.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org [mailto:scirocco-l-
> bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of John S. Lagnese
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:34 PM
> To: Mark F.; Scirocco list
> Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
>
> Did you re-use the nuts? Sometimes its worth giving them a fresh hit
with
> a
> chisel or some other item to compress the plastic.
> John
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
> To: "Scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:43 PM
> Subject: Stake your axle nuts!
>
>
> > Well my friend Sean rang in the new year on the side of the highway
> > broken down in his 85 8v. He had the car towed to my place just after
> > midnight, and we discovered that the axle nut had worked it's way
> > loose and it looks like the hub/bearing is destroyed... The weird
> > thing is we just swapped out the hubs about a month ago with ones I
> > had lying around, and I remember specifically torquing the axle nuts
> > to the proper torque... SO, I guess the lesson in all this is to
> > stake the axle nuts - even though it's an "egg nut"...
> >
> > Mark - sick with the flu on New Year's :(
> > 75
> > 80 S
> > 81 Caddy - sold (whelp!)
> > 90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l
>
>
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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:41:35 -0500
From: "Dale Dillhoff" <db9561@dragonbbs.com>
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Hay, I am new here but I agree with Larry the only time I have had an axle
nut come lose on my 88 Scirocco 16v is when the bearing was going out or on
the track when the hub broke. Since I do abuse my VW I remove the axles
often for inspection and have always reused the nut and washer though I do
check them about every 6 hours of track time.
Dale
Scirocco 16v
-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Larry Fry
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:28 PM
To: Mark F.; peter@thescirocco.com
Cc: Scirocco list
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
I've never had an axle nut loosen on me before though, so
I'm curious as to what happened... Anyone else have this happen to
them?
the only time this has happened to me was when the bearings were in the
process of going south.
Larry
sandiego16v
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 21:36:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Neptuno <neptunonc@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: "Wassersport" contact
To: Dick Y Wong <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>, Scirocco List
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Does anyone have a pic of the hats? cause I would really like to buy one.
El Tony
Dick Y Wong <sailingfc@dslextreme.com> wrote:
I contacted David Guido and below is the reply from him regarding
Wassersport.
< I did have this company, but it is gone as an actual business more than a
year ago, and I have had no requests for items during that span.
I don't know where or why all this new activity is coming from! Perhaps
when I was down at the big LA GTG last month folks got the idea
I was back in business, as I sold some stuff there. I do have lots of TEAM
SCIROCCO hats left as well as some "fender
covers". I will sell them for $10. plus shipping. I didn't received any
recent orders by mail (or e-mail). It's weird
to hear claims that an order was requested, as I have heard from no one!
If folks are interested in the remaining items, they should email me at:
davidguido@comcast.net >
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Anyone else confirm this is it?
http://mk1scirocco.com/scirocco/pics/misc/rocco_hat.jpg
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 22:03:13 -0800 (PST)
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If that is the one. I would be all over it..... I hope some one confirms this!
El Tony
Andre Bjorkheim <andre@nwmicrobrews.com> wrote:
Anyone else confirm this is it?
http://mk1scirocco.com/scirocco/pics/misc/rocco_hat.jpg
Andri
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<http://europartsolutions.com/store/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=470>
Groupe A Rallye Golf Race Motor
Surely, one of the most modified G60 based engines in the world. This
custom motor was built for Groupe A competition use in the British Rally
Championships. Dynoed at over 300hp during preliminary cam and injector
testing in England, builder insists it has at least 50hp more. Specs
available by request to serious buyers.
Price $6200.00
(Oops, well it was a great idea while it lasted.)
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Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 01:38:18 -0800
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Neptuno wrote:
If that is the one. I would be all over it..... I hope some one confirms this!
El Tony
I'm not him But I can confirm that is a picture of what was described as
the 'Team Scirocco' hat. There is another one that is the 'Mk1 in
profile outline' that I own (used to have two but...)
It's a bargain at any price. Buy one to wear and one to keep on the shelf.
These are a limited run type product, made from the love seat and and
tears of a Scirocco Enthusiast like yourself.
TBerk
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 04:57:59 -0500
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And so easy to buy!
Just click "add to shopping basket"!!!
Dan
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Groupe A Rallye Golf Race Motor
Surely, one of the most modified G60 based engines in the world. This
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Championships. Dynoed at over 300hp during preliminary cam and injector
testing in England, builder insists it has at least 50hp more. Specs
available by request to serious buyers.
Price $6200.00
(Oops, well it was a great idea while it lasted.)
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:17:24 -0500
From: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
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Never had it happen to any of my A1 or A2 cars over many years, but had
it happen to my sister's 97 GTI. I replaced a bad wheel bearing, torqued
the nut to spec and a month or so later she called to say something was
wrong. Turns out it worked loose. I retorqued it and it happened again
a while later. I loctitied it and haven't had any problems since.
John
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
The hub/bearing was fine - it came from my totally stripped 81 S
(which just went to the junkyard yesterday), and had less than 5000 km
on it. There was no play in the bearing either. As soon as I get
over this flu I'll rip into it and see if I can figure out what
happened... I've never had an axle nut loosen on me before though, so
I'm curious as to what happened... Anyone else have this happen to
them?
Later,
Mark.
75
80 S
81 Caddy - Sold
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:29:03 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "JOHN WORDEN" <worden10@msn.com>, <mk1mark@gmail.com>
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John,
I'd say you didn't get the new bearings fully seated when you installed
them the first time, and driving the car finished the seating job, leaving
the nut somewhat loose.
Larry
sandiego16v
had
it happen to my sister's 97 GTI. I replaced a bad wheel bearing, torqued
the nut to spec and a month or so later she called to say something was
wrong. Turns out it worked loose. I retorqued it and it happened again
a while later. I loctitied it and haven't had any problems since.
John
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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:32:23 -0800 (PST)
From: Daun Yeagley <vwdaun@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, peter@thescirocco.com
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--- "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com> wrote:
I've never had an axle nut loosen on me
before though, so
I'm curious as to what happened... Anyone else have this
happen to
them?
A few years ago on the way home from Waterfest, lister
(former lister?) Eric Pearson started having issues with
one of his backing off. At every stop he'd go and
re-tighten it, which got him back to Illinois.
=====
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'77, '81 S, '85, '86 & '88 16v Sciroccos, '96 Passat GLX Wagon, '56 Cessna 172
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Message: 26
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:50:38 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, "Scirocco list"
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we discovered that the axle nut had worked it's way
loose and it looks like the hub/bearing is destroyed... The weird
thing is we just swapped out the hubs about a month ago with ones I
had lying around, and I remember specifically torquing the axle nuts
to the proper torque...
It's nearly impossible to remove the hubs without damaging the bearings.
(providing the hubs are in good shape..they are a press-fit into the bearing
races)
My guess is that you did properly torque the nuts, but that the damaged
bearings were the cause of Sean's problems.
A good rule of thumb is to replace the bearings and the hubs at the same
time.
Larry
sandiego16v
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From: Dan Smith <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>
Subject: [SPAM] Re: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (was Re: It's legal now)
To: Scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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I was just talking to my mom about this the other day and saying how the list has so much junk now. I know people want to share pics of their new house or some weird tech. info they found with friends, but it's getting ridiculous. I have over 500 messages in my email box and about 470 I'll delete without opening. The rest I will probably read the first thread and then delete the rest. Don't forget about those poor saps on digest mode too. Eesh. It's ok if the list is slow and you only get 5 messages that day. The list still works, the world still turns and it does not mean you should 'liven things up'. A few people have left the list because of the constant banter we've had. The only reason I haven't left is because I really want to go to Cincy and there is a chance something useful will arrive in my inbox.
I suggest someone forming a Yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com and then people can have an outlet to tell their scirocco friends about their favorite video games or debate what car has the hardest headlights to replace. You can also post pics and set up a calender for events.
Dan
Scourge <scourge@cogeco.ca> wrote:
Thanx, someone needed to say that.
-George
P.S. Mark, you need to come down sometime and enjoy what you helped me
create, muahahahahaha
Well my (and others') subtle hints haven't worked, so:
WTF!!!!! WOULD YOU GUYS SHUT THE HELL
UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know if I'm
speaking for anyone else here, but this constant babbling about
nothing related to Sciroccos, or even cars for that matter, is
diluting the list to the point where it's 99% noise... EFUCKINGNUFF
ALREADY!!!
This email list has tolerated more off-topic stuff than most, and that
was a good thing - it made for interesting reading, and spawned and
fortified many friendships over the years. BUT it's gotten way out of
hand...
Without naming names, I'm tired of seeing the same (very) small
handful of people dragging threads on and on without contributing a
single meaningful thing to it... I think you guys are forgetting
there are HUNDREDS of people subscribed to this list, and no one wants
to see the same two or three people clogging their inboxes with
useless drivel, OVER and OVER and OVER again... And it's not just
the odd thread this is happening to - lately, pretty much EVERY thread
has been hijacked long after the question has been answered, and
continues on and on with bullshit reply after bullshit reply...
It's hard to maintain a sense of "community" when the majority of
traffic mostly revolves around a small circle of people - ESPECIALLY
when the people in that circle have very little, if anything, to add
to the knowledge base of the list... It's actually pretty amazing how
a few people can completely change the dynamic of an email list of
hundreds of people - in this case, for the worse...
I miss the vibrant, varied, and entertaining scirocco.org list of the
past - maybe it's gone forever, maybe it'll return - but hopefully I
can convince a *couple* people to think about the content of their
post before they hit 'Send'... When you reply to a post will the
hundreds of people reading your reply find it informative, meaningful,
or at the very least entertaining or humorous? If not, maybe you
should make your point OFF-LIST to that person... I think the meaning
of "public forum" got lost on some of you, and the list has suffered
as a result...
I don't want to scare anyone off (especially newbies) from posting -
if you've got a question, answer, observation, or even a story about
cars/driving in general, great, post away! That's what we're all here
for! Even the odd friendly jab is alright... BUT ease up on the one
sentence posts (usually top posted with the 39 previous replies
unsnipped below) that contribute NOTHING to the thread... I can't be
the only one that's frustrated with this...
People are leaving the list (whether or not they announce it), and by
the looks of it many have receded into lurk-mode. I think the present
"vibe" of the list isn't conducive to it's growth as the best source
of information and discussion of our beloved cars. Sorry to rant like
this guys, but I don't want to sit idly by while the list I've grown
to love and look forward to reading every day degrades to the point
where I no longer want to be a part of it...
Mark.
75
80 S
81 Caddy
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt
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Your FLAPS should have 1/2" ID fuel line.
larry
sandiego16v
Hi all,
I need some help. My '83 GTI has the infamous 'no gas on hard right
turns' disease. The problem is the hose from the baffle in the center of
the tank to the output to the pump has erroded. I would like to find some
hard plastic hose to replace it. I am told that it is 12mm ID, although I
would imagine that 1/2 ID would do with clamps... I looked at mcmaster.com
and they were not helpful, either it was not recommended for use -in- fuel,
or it was the wrong size...
Any ideas? All helpful suggestions are greatly appreciated...
David
Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Message: 28
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:24:51 -0600
From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: RE: What to Get your Scirocco for a late present
To: "T Berk" <tberk@sbcglobal.net>, "Scirocco email List"
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-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of T Berk
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:30 AM
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Subject: What to Get your Scirocco for a late present
<http://europartsolutions.com/store/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=47
0>
Groupe A Rallye Golf Race Motor
Surely, one of the most modified G60 based engines in the world. This
custom motor was built for Groupe A competition use in the British Rally
Championships. Dynoed at over 300hp during preliminary cam and injector
testing in England, builder insists it has at least 50hp more. Specs
available by request to serious buyers.
Price $6200.00
(Oops, well it was a great idea while it lasted.)
TBerk
I swear that is the same blower that was on MadMax's car... :)
David
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Message: 29
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:15:46 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (was Re: It's legal now)
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, "Lars Bruchmann"
<pilotlars@yahoo.com>
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WTF!!!!! WOULD YOU GUYS SHUT THE HELL
UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark.
Easy, Mark, this is pretty mild, and actually rather interesting...
"Who will be the first to post an error-free sentence?"
No one was getting upset, until.......................... :)
Larry
sandiego16v
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Message: 30
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 08:18:57 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Now: SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (was Re: It's legal now)
To: "T Berk" <tberk@sbcglobal.net>, "Scirocco email List"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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TB has nailed it.
larry
sandiego16v
Lars.
I am one of those people he didn't name. If not fully, I am certainly
borderline, my apologies List.
But Lars, you have singled yourself out, and I take you to task in the
game we like to call: 'Whack-a-Mole'. (The point being that it's the
mole who pops out of his hole that gets whacked.) Nothing personal,
you're just a handy example.
But really this is for Everyone. (Think Gary Oldman in 'The
Professional'.)
OK,
- Top Posting. (I could go on but it stands on it's own.) This'll become
a Holy War so lets just move along, shall we?
<http://www.google.com/search?q=netiquette>
- Not editing/snipping the rest of the thread.
Besides the laborious trouble it becomes to keep the threads tidy there
are people who subscribe to the list in Digest mode. One email each day
with EVERY post smashed together. Lets think about what our unedited
posts look like to them.
- One line replies(a) They almost get lost in these long, unedited
replies.
- One Line Replies(b) And they sometimes hold very, very, little
Content. And a lot of the time I'm not even funny.
- Interpersonal Chattiness and Thread Drift. Like the List Nazi said (It
was _his_ turn to be the LN), we often get to acting like it's a party
line, and take the conversation off into LaLa Land. Pity the newbie who
must often feel like the 1st day at High School and doesn't fit in with
the Cool Kids and doesn't have the personal & institutional memory to
get the In-Jokes. And can't get much help with the given problem.
I've been around since the Second Wave (ooh, bad analogy) since around
18 months after the list went live. I have seen em come and seen em go,
sitting here by the Stage Door. Lots of them have bitterly vented as
they beat feet towards the door that it was too much noise to signal and
to hell with that.
We have done better, we can be great again. Every so often we need, and
get, a hipcheck into the boards. Don't take it personal. In fact Don't
Respond- that would be a great follow up. Think about it awhile. Do the
right thing as you see fit, keep your eyes and ears open and mouth
(fingers) shut and be a good example to the next guy.
TBerk
It's going to be Hard, but Hard is Good.
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Message: 31
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:40:34 -0600
From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Suggestions for Hose Supplier?
To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>, <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Thanks for the reply, Larry... Trouble is, this line will be IN the tank.
It had rubber hose from the factory, and that failed within say 8 years? I
would like a more permanent solution...
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Fry [mailto:rocco16@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:04 AM
To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Hose Supplier?
Your FLAPS should have 1/2" ID fuel line.
larry
sandiego16v
Hi all,
I need some help. My '83 GTI has the infamous 'no gas on hard right
turns' disease. The problem is the hose from the baffle in the center of
the tank to the output to the pump has erroded. I would like to find some
hard plastic hose to replace it. I am told that it is 12mm ID, although I
would imagine that 1/2 ID would do with clamps... I looked at mcmaster.com
and they were not helpful, either it was not recommended for use -in- fuel,
or it was the wrong size...
Any ideas? All helpful suggestions are greatly appreciated...
David
Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Message: 32
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:15:48 -0500
From: "Sal Guzzo" <pellom@yorku.ca>
Subject: Re: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat)
To: "Neptuno" <neptunonc@yahoo.com>, "Andre Bjorkheim"
<andre@nwmicrobrews.com>, "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Yes, that's the one....I have one sitting right in front of me.
Sal Guzzo
- Fear is your only god.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neptuno" <neptunonc@yahoo.com>
To: "Andre Bjorkheim" <andre@nwmicrobrews.com>; "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:03 AM
Subject: Re: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat)
If that is the one. I would be all over it..... I hope some one confirms this!
El Tony
Andre Bjorkheim <andre@nwmicrobrews.com> wrote:
Anyone else confirm this is it?
http://mk1scirocco.com/scirocco/pics/misc/rocco_hat.jpg
Andri
Brazil Brown Metallic 79
Nogaro Green 79
Kirkland, WA
ICQ #76283458
http://mk1scirocco.com
http://www.nwmicrobrews.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neptuno"
To: "Dick Y Wong" ; "Scirocco List"
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: "Wassersport" contact
> Does anyone have a pic of the hats? cause I would really like to buy one.
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Message: 33
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:23:19 -0600
From: Nate Mellom <doubt@inwave.com>
Subject: Sig test
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Please ignore.
Danka!
Nate
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Message: 34
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 12:57:38 -0500
From: "Calimus" <calimus@techography.net>
Subject: Question about wheel spacers
To: "Scirocco-l" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <006901c4f0f4$8cca2140$653da8c0@calimus>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Ok, so I'm a rim/wheel idiot. I bought a set of rims that were proper ET
(38) and bolt pattern (4x100) but apparently I didn't know enough. Upon
trying to fit these rims to the wifes cabby I found not only so they just
barely not fit the center hub but they also won't clear the front break
calipers. Now I really wnat to use these rims so I started looking at wheel
spacers.
The question is, how do I best tell the size of spacer that I need and
should I go with hub-centric spacers or non hub-centric. I gather that if I
don't want to have the rims machined I would have to go with non
hub-centric, but what dissadvantages would I be looking at? I know I'll
need 4 spacers so that everthing lines up right on the car. The rest is a
bit of a mystery to me. So, anyone have some good info for me, I'd really
appreciate it.
Thanks,
William
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