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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
     Blue Mk1 (Gordon Forbess)
  2. Re: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
     Blue Mk1 (C Boyko)
  3. Lower body moulding re-do (Gordon Forbess)
  4. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Mark F.)
  5. Re: Question about wheel spacers (Allyn)
  6. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Parker Wulf)
  7. RE: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
     Blue Mk1 (Dick Y Wong)
  8. RE: Stake your axle nuts! (Dale Dillhoff)
  9. Etka for porsche (michael lane)
 10. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Mark F.)
 11. Fuel screen question (C Boyko)
 12. Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Larry Fry)
 13. Re: Question about wheel spacers (Larry Fry)
 14. Re: Suggestions for Hose Supplier? (Larry Fry)
 15. no start (and dead starter?) (Foxx (in a box))
 16. to part, or not to part, that is the question (longish)
     (Foxx (in a box))
 17. RE: no start (and dead starter?) (michael lane)
 18. Mk1 Hatch filling with water (Ron Pieper)
 19. RE: Mk1 Hatch filling with water (Julie Macfarlane)
 20. WAS: Rieger sold NOW:  Announcing to the list
     (David L. Winchell, II)
 21. Re: no start (and dead starter?) (T Berk)
 22. Re: no start (and dead starter?) (Larry Fry)
 23. RE: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat)
     (danws69@earthlink.net)
 24. Re: no start (and dead starter?) (C Boyko)
 25. FS: 1980 Scirocco S (Anthony Pelletier)
 26. RE: 1980 Scirocco S (Brian Wagner)
 27. RE: 1980 Scirocco S (Anthony Pelletier)
 28. Re: Re: Stake your axle nuts! (David Utley)
 29. Re: Fuel screen question (David Utley)
 30. Re: Rieger sold NOW:  Announcing to the list (Matthew H.)
 31. Re: Re: Stake your axle nuts! (GGehrke)
 32. RE: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat) (Brad Sterling)
 33. Power Steering Fluid (Brad Sterling)
 34. Re: Re: Stake your axle nuts! (Gordy Stedman)
 35. Re: FS: 1980 Scirocco S (Ben Harder)
 36. RE: Power Steering Fluid (danws69@earthlink.net)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:00:27 -0800
From: Gordon Forbess <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
	Blue Mk1
To: "Dick Y Wong" <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>
Cc: Scirocco email List <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <0abgt05nvjg85kd1lg5gihj3me06qo3o78@4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:11:51 -0800, "Dick Y Wong"
<sailingfc@dslextreme.com> wrote:

-Dick-
78 Scirocco
Original Owner

I appreciate the kind thoughts from you guys.
So many people here have done so much work (and spent so much money)
on their cars battling rust, repairing accident damage, correcting the
POs assorted dubious mods, crawling through boneyards for obscure
parts, etc.  I, OTOH (and Dick Wong, I see) just had to plunk down the
money at the VW dealer, live in California, and been lucky enough to
keep the shiny side up for the last 25 or 30 years.

At the Bonelli park GTG in November, a guy looks at my car and says:
"Nice car! - where did you get the PARTS?"  I don't know how many
other "original owners" are here, but does a tinge of guilt ever hit
you about answering that question?

And for T Berk.. this is indeed a carburetor. :-)
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/weber.jpg



Gordon

75 Mk I/Drake 1.9
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/scirocco.htm


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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:15:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
	Blue Mk1
To: "Gordon Forbess" <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Cc: Scirocco email List <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <1221.216.209.129.60.1104689737.squirrel@216.209.129.60>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1


On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:11:51 -0800, "Dick Y Wong"
<sailingfc@dslextreme.com> wrote:

-Dick-
78 Scirocco
Original Owner

I appreciate the kind thoughts from you guys.

So many people here have done so much work (and spent so much money)
on their cars battling rust, repairing accident damage, correcting the
POs assorted dubious mods, crawling through boneyards for obscure
parts, etc.  I, OTOH (and Dick Wong, I see) just had to plunk down the
money at the VW dealer, live in California, and been lucky enough to
keep the shiny side up for the last 25 or 30 years.

At the Bonelli park GTG in November, a guy looks at my car and says:
"Nice car! - where did you get the PARTS?"  I don't know how many
other "original owners" are here, but does a tinge of guilt ever hit
you about answering that question?

And for T Berk.. this is indeed a carburetor. :-)
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/weber.jpg



Gordon

75 Mk I/Drake 1.9
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/scirocco.htm


Well, only diligence keeps your car from being one of those PO nightmares,
I'd say you deserve the "kind thoughts", that preventative little day to
day stuff is what makes the difference. And the car is gorgeous, it made
my New Year's Eve happier looking at it. I aspire to have mine be even
somewhat like it.

Cathy
1999 TDI New Beetle
1987 2L 16V Scirocco
1979 1.8L 10:1 8V
"Deja moo- the feeling you've heard this bull before"


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 10:22:20 -0800
From: Gordon Forbess <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Subject: Lower body moulding re-do
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <j7egt017uti7jbt5ild55r0hnlolhnc0te@4ax.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I wonder how man people here still have the moulding that runs the
length of each side.  Seems it is nearly impossible to find pieces, I
am told, and most have removed it.

I thought about that since a number of pieces on my car were corroding
and the coating turned "milky" I might remove it altogether.  Had
another idea and last weekend, with a new spray can of L50C from
http://towerpaint.com I refinished the center strip to body color.
Played around with some different ideas of how much to paint, but this
one looked the best to my eye.

And, I can still bang the door into the post in the garage without
door dinging.  http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/stripef.jpg

Gordon

75 Mk I/Drake 1.9
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/scirocco.htm


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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:33:01 -0500
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: Larry Fry <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: Scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <c047f1910501021033687a25b5@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:50:38 -0800, Larry Fry <rocco16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

It's nearly impossible to remove the hubs without damaging the bearings.
(providing the hubs are in good shape..they are a press-fit into the bearing
races)
My guess is that you did properly torque the nuts, but that the damaged
bearings were the cause of  Sean's problems.

A good rule of thumb is to replace the bearings and the hubs at the same
time.



We swapped over the whole hub/bearing/steering knuckle assembly, so
that wasn't the problem...  We had a better look at it last night, and
the hub actually snapped!  I think the nut had worked it's way loose,
and while turning a corner the hub snapped...  (He was turning onto a
highway, so he's actually pretty lucky it didn't go at speed...)

I'm going to stake the axle nuts from now on, just in case...  I
believe I used to do this as a habit years ago, but got lazy
recently...  Lesson learned...

Mark.
75
80 S
81 Caddy - Sold
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 14:39:56 -0500
From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Question about wheel spacers
To: "Calimus" <calimus@techography.net>,        "Scirocco-l"
	<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <003b01c4f102$d6d92480$0301a8c0@main>
Content-Type: text/plain;	format=flowed;	charset="iso-8859-1";
	reply-type=original

staying/being hub-centric is top priority. as much as 1mm off-center equates to several ounces of wheel imbalance (and will feel as such). doing so with spacers is difficult. either you need to get by with a very thin spacer (so the hub still engages the rim), or you need to go thick enough to use a spacer which keeps the wheel hubcentric.
Al

----- Original Message ----- From: "Calimus" <calimus@techography.net>
To: "Scirocco-l" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:57 PM
Subject: Question about wheel spacers


Ok, so I'm a rim/wheel idiot.  I bought a set of rims that were proper ET
(38) and bolt pattern (4x100) but apparently I didn't know enough.  Upon
trying to fit these rims to the wifes cabby I found not only so they just
barely not fit the center hub but they also won't clear the front break
calipers. Now I really wnat to use these rims so I started looking at wheel
spacers.

The question is, how do I best tell the size of spacer that I need and
should I go with hub-centric spacers or non hub-centric. I gather that if I
don't want to have the rims machined I would have to go with non
hub-centric, but what dissadvantages would I be looking at?  I know I'll
need 4 spacers so that everthing lines up right on the car.  The rest is a
bit of a mystery to me.  So, anyone have some good info for me, I'd really
appreciate it.

Thanks,
William


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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:06:22 -0600
From: Parker Wulf <badvdub@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <f75eb9310501021306309b64aa@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

er, what does it mean to "stake" the axle nuts? Key pin or what ever
its called?

Parker


On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:33:01 -0500, Mark F. <mk1mark@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:50:38 -0800, Larry Fry <rocco16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> It's nearly impossible to remove the hubs without damaging the bearings.
> (providing the hubs are in good shape..they are a press-fit into the bearing
> races)
> My guess is that you did properly torque the nuts, but that the damaged
> bearings were the cause of  Sean's problems.
>
> A good rule of thumb is to replace the bearings and the hubs at the same
> time.

We swapped over the whole hub/bearing/steering knuckle assembly, so
that wasn't the problem...  We had a better look at it last night, and
the hub actually snapped!  I think the nut had worked it's way loose,
and while turning a corner the hub snapped...  (He was turning onto a
highway, so he's actually pretty lucky it didn't go at speed...)

I'm going to stake the axle nuts from now on, just in case...  I
believe I used to do this as a habit years ago, but got lazy
recently...  Lesson learned...

Mark.
75
80 S
81 Caddy - Sold
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:25:06 -0800
From: "Dick Y Wong" <sailingfc@dslextreme.com>
Subject: RE: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon
	Blue Mk1
To: "Gordon Forbess" <gforbess@attglobal.net>
Cc: Scirocco email List <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000601c4f111$87c46670$6501a8c0@dickvaio>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="windows-1250"

In terms of Original Owners, no one else has ever spoke up if they are.  The
77 that was recently totaled here in the Bay Area was owned by the original
owner, Steven Zane, who brought it over from Hawaii.  He was on the list a
long time ago, but the traffic was too much.

I agree, lots of people have spent a lot of time and money on their cars.
If anything, I feel fortunate that I was able to start with a new car and
carry it through till now and in turn be part of this great community called
"scirocco.org".

With that said, I still think Gordon's car is still one of the best examples
of our cars.

Don't feel guilty, like Cathy said, it takes effort to maintain any car, be
proud of what you have.

-Dick-
78 Scirocco
Original Owner
95 Passat GLX
Second Owner



-----Original Message-----
From: Gordon Forbess [mailto:gforbess@attglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:00 AM
To: Dick Y Wong
Cc: T Berk; Scirocco email List
Subject: Re: Last Roc of the Year - I nominate Gordon's 1975 Lagoon Blue Mk1


On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 20:11:51 -0800, "Dick Y Wong"
<sailingfc@dslextreme.com> wrote:

-Dick-
78 Scirocco
Original Owner

I appreciate the kind thoughts from you guys.

So many people here have done so much work (and spent so much money)
on their cars battling rust, repairing accident damage, correcting the
POs assorted dubious mods, crawling through boneyards for obscure
parts, etc.  I, OTOH (and Dick Wong, I see) just had to plunk down the
money at the VW dealer, live in California, and been lucky enough to
keep the shiny side up for the last 25 or 30 years.

At the Bonelli park GTG in November, a guy looks at my car and says:
"Nice car! - where did you get the PARTS?"  I don't know how many
other "original owners" are here, but does a tinge of guilt ever hit
you about answering that question?

And for T Berk.. this is indeed a carburetor. :-)
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/weber.jpg



Gordon

75 Mk I/Drake 1.9
http://pws.prserv.net/gforbess/scirocco/scirocco.htm
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 17:01:59 -0500
From: "Dale Dillhoff" <db9561@dragonbbs.com>
Subject: RE: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Sic group" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <AFEMJAOEBHAOOBNJBBCBEEIDCAAA.db9561@dragonbbs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

We have this happen on a regular bases in road racing.  Most of us have
either used a heavy duty hub (I never found a set) or switched to a Audi hub
and bearing but you have to have a machine shop modify the steering knuckle.

Dale

-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Mark F.
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 1:33 PM
To: Larry Fry
Cc: Scirocco list
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!


On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 07:50:38 -0800, Larry Fry <rocco16@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

It's nearly impossible to remove the hubs without damaging the bearings.
(providing the hubs are in good shape..they are a press-fit into the
bearing
races)
My guess is that you did properly torque the nuts, but that the damaged
bearings were the cause of  Sean's problems.

A good rule of thumb is to replace the bearings and the hubs at the same
time.



We swapped over the whole hub/bearing/steering knuckle assembly, so
that wasn't the problem...  We had a better look at it last night, and
the hub actually snapped!  I think the nut had worked it's way loose,
and while turning a corner the hub snapped...  (He was turning onto a
highway, so he's actually pretty lucky it didn't go at speed...)

I'm going to stake the axle nuts from now on, just in case...  I
believe I used to do this as a habit years ago, but got lazy
recently...  Lesson learned...

Mark.
75
80 S
81 Caddy - Sold
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt

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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:12:44 -0800
From: "michael lane" <vwmike00@comcast.net>
Subject: Etka for porsche
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4f120$913bf650$6400a8c0@DELL>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Hey guys and gals. I finally resubscribed after my e-mail had to change
ages ago. So, hello everyone.
So, I have been looking for some sort of Porsche parts program similar
to Etka. I have etka 5 and 6, US and European, but have yet to find
anything for porsches. Anyone have any ideas?
Thanks, Mike

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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:32:48 -0500
From: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: Parker Wulf <badvdub@gmail.com>
Cc: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <c047f19105010215326e0719ef@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 15:06:22 -0600, Parker Wulf <badvdub@gmail.com> wrote:
er, what does it mean to "stake" the axle nuts? Key pin or what ever
its called?


Use a hammer and chisel (w/ a fairly blunt end)  to "dent" the egged
nut on the semi-flat spot ...  This works better on a "D" type shaft,
but I'm guessing it'll help somewhat to keep the nut from backing
out...  I suppose if you're really paranoid you could marr the threads
of the halfshaft with a chisel after the nut is torqued to keep it
from loosening as well (the threads *should* repair when you back the
nut off with a wrench next time you loosen it, but maybe not... :D)

Mark.
75
80 S
81 Caddy - Sold
90 Audi Coupe Quattro - 10vt


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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 21:15:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Fuel screen question
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <2411.216.209.129.60.1104718526.squirrel@216.209.129.60>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

Since I ran my tank nearly dry a while back, and have had some issues I'm
trying to track down, I decided to look at the screen in the fuel tank.
Well, this is the 1979 / 8V (ie. no transfer pump), and pulling the
inspection hatch reveals a dark, block shaped object in the tank, and
nothing that looks especially filter/screen like. So, am I wrong to think
there's a screen in there somewhere? And if so, where? (I wasn't going to
stick my hand in there to probe around, as the tank's full and I'd
displace too much fuel) Bentley isn't very helpful. On the plus side,
there was a bit of fine crud in the screen on the CPR, so it was good that
I got that outa there. The tank itself looks really clean and crud free,
which was good to see at least. And the hatch came off easily, unlike that
on the younger sister.


Cathy, eternally searching for perfection...
1999 TDI New Beetle
1987 2L 16V Scirocco
1979 1.8L 10:1 8V
"Deja moo- the feeling you've heard this bull before"


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:34:51 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>,	"Parker Wulf" <badvdub@gmail.com>
Cc: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <01e701c4f13c$cd8761f0$92826945@mastershake>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"





> er, what does it mean to "stake" the axle nuts?


Use a hammer and chisel (w/ a fairly blunt end)  to "dent" the egged
nut on the semi-flat spot ...


Yes.  and do this before they are installed.


you could marr the threads
of the halfshaft with a chisel after the nut is torqued to keep it
from loosening as well

What??   This is not something I would advise.

Larry
sandiego16v





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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:43:34 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Question about wheel spacers
To: "Calimus" <calimus@techography.net>,	"Scirocco-l"
	<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <020601c4f13e$04d830c0$92826945@mastershake>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Sounds like you need some custom-made spacers w/ hub centering capability.
You don't say exactly how the wheels 'barely not fit the hub'...if the wheel
center opening is too small,  then you will HAVE to have hub-centric
spacers.
I'd find some different wheels that fit properly.
Surely there are some that you like....

Larry
sandiego16v

Ok, so I'm a rim/wheel idiot.  I bought a set of rims that were proper ET
(38) and bolt pattern (4x100) but apparently I didn't know enough.  Upon
trying to fit these rims to the wifes cabby I found not only so they just
barely not fit the center hub but they also won't clear the front break
calipers.  Now I really wnat to use these rims so I started looking at
wheel
spacers.
-l



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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 18:46:06 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Hose Supplier?
To: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>,	<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <021001c4f13e$603b1e50$92826945@mastershake>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

In the tank, outside the tank, gasoline is gasoline.  If the rubber compound
can resist gasoline on the inside, it can resist gasoline on both sides.
The only other option I see is ridgid metallic tubing, which probably will
not work for you.
Larry
sandiego16v

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: RE: Suggestions for Hose Supplier?


Thanks for the reply, Larry...  Trouble is, this line will be IN the tank.
It had rubber hose from the factory, and that failed within say 8 years?
I
would like a more permanent solution...

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Fry [mailto:rocco16@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:04 AM
To: fahrvegnugen@cox.net; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Hose Supplier?

Your FLAPS should have 1/2" ID fuel line.

larry
sandiego16v

> Hi all,
>   I need some help.  My '83 GTI has the infamous 'no gas on hard right
turns' disease.  The problem is the hose from the baffle in the center of
the tank to the output to the pump has erroded.  I would like to find some
hard plastic hose to replace it.  I am told that it is 12mm ID, although I
would imagine that 1/2 ID would do with clamps...  I looked at
mcmaster.com
and they were not helpful, either it was not recommended for use -in-
fuel,
or it was the wrong size...
>
> Any ideas?  All helpful suggestions are greatly appreciated...
>
> David
>
> Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
> --Ralph Waldo Emerson
>
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:02:26 -0500
From: "Foxx (in a box)" <foxxinabox@wideopenwest.com>
Subject: no start (and dead starter?)
To: scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <41D8D1E2.9000905@wideopenwest.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

having problems with my '86 8v. we've had misty ran here lately and my car doesn't care for it (ran into this previously but the problem fixed itself then). for the most part, the car will crank and not catch. i know it's getting fuel as i can smell it flooding. i would check for spark but when i was trying to start it tonight the batter ran a little low. i hooked up the battery charger and tried to start it again. now all i get is the inital single -slow- turn over then click-click-click, then another turn over followed by three more clicks. the voltmeter inside says i have 12V+. i'm thinking my no start problem is the coil, but as for the starter, did the battery charger kill it or was it simply on its way out? i have spares of both, but it became too dark and cold to work on it tonight. any ideas would be helpful. thanx.

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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 00:19:29 -0500
From: "Foxx (in a box)" <foxxinabox@wideopenwest.com>
Subject: to part, or not to part, that is the question (longish)
To: scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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i've been toying around with the idea for a while. if you read my last post regarding the no start issue, then you get a general idea of what's been happening. first one thing, then another. none of my, nor my family's vw's have given me this much trouble (even my dad's rusty carbed '84 rabbit). i bought car in west virginia. very little brakes and bad tires and the car gave up a half hour after leaving (reason unknown). replaced engine and had few problems with running. after looking the car over i've found multiple small holes where the sunroof wind deflector was loose and tapped the paint away exposing the metal, etc. also found a decent dent that had been bondoed under the license place. the hood is smacked in the front, the left fender has a sizable dent, and both doors are rusted through under the front quarter glass. to beat all i went out the other day to sit on a wet seat (apparently the sunroof leaks - probably because the roof around the panel is slightly bent down in a couple placed) and i've always had problems with the hatch sealing (even after readjusting the seal). on the other hand, the unibody portions of the car are in relatively good shape (save the roof). a few dents here and there, but a solid floor and underside. that, plus when it runs, it runs well. when i swapped the engine, i only replaced the engine, not the electronics (where i think most the gremlins reside). when we bled the brakes it was green (think pond scum) and the power steering gave up the ghost not long ago. as it is, i generally don't have problems with it, but with all the things that will NEED replaced (doors, heater core, windshield (scratched to hell), fender, etc.) i wonder if it wouldn't behoove me to buy another '85/'86 mars red or graphite metallic with engine problems and swap things over. as you can see, i've something to think over and, you all, being sympathetic to the disease may be able to relate. i don't want to remove a perfectly good running scirocco from the road but i can't admit to myself that this isn't a perfectly good running car. i guess if anyone knows of an '85 (preferred) or '86 mars red or graphite metallic scirocco for sale, with a good body and no leaks, for cheap that would determine the fate. until then, i appreciate any insight on wrestling with this particular daemon. thanx.

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 22:18:39 -0800
From: "michael lane" <vwmike00@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: no start (and dead starter?)
To: "'Foxx \(in a box\)'" <foxxinabox@wideopenwest.com>,	"'scirocco
	list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000001c4f15c$11823e10$6400a8c0@DELL>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Most of the time when you have running conditions related to rain, and
humidity it's fairly easy to point the finger at plug wires. Not to
mention that misting rain stuff gets into everything. I would try
swapping out the plug wires for a known good set to rule out crossfire.
-Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Foxx (in a box)
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:02 PM
To: scirocco list
Subject: no start (and dead starter?)

having problems with my '86 8v. we've had misty ran here lately and my car doesn't care for it (ran into this previously but the problem fixed itself then). for the most part, the car will crank and not catch.

i know it's getting fuel as i can smell it flooding. i would check for spark but when i was trying to start it tonight the batter ran a little low. i hooked up the battery charger and tried to start it again. now all i get is the inital single -slow- turn over then click-click-click, then another turn over followed by three more clicks. the voltmeter inside says i have 12V+.
  i'm thinking my no start problem is the coil, but as for the starter,

did the battery charger kill it or was it simply on its way out? i have spares of both, but it became too dark and cold to work on it tonight. any ideas would be helpful. thanx.

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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:01:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com>
Subject: Mk1 Hatch filling with water
To: "Scirocco.org list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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Hey All:

My old Mk1 hatch is filling with water and beginning to rust along the outside rear.  This is
where two pieces of sheetmetal are joined inside the hatch.  Question is, what's the path for the
water to get there?  Via the glass gasket or the hatch seal where it closes against the car?

Thx,
Ron

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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 11:03:19 +0000
From: "Julie Macfarlane" <juliemac57@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Mk1 Hatch filling with water
To: rapieper@yahoo.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <BAY15-F234CF83A92F278D5DE90C6DD900@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed

Ron, I found that there are 2 plastic plugs along the sides of the rain gutter of the rear hatch. I sealed them by welding small tabs of metal.
I did that 2 years ago and no more leaks!
Try silicone and see if that helps.
Good luck!



Julie Macfarlane
"Its not just a car! Its an adventure!"
1981 MKI 2L 16v w 2Y
Amsterdam NY




From: Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com>
To: "Scirocco.org list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Subject: Mk1 Hatch filling with water
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:01:04 -0800 (PST)

Hey All:

My old Mk1 hatch is filling with water and beginning to rust along the outside rear. This is where two pieces of sheetmetal are joined inside the hatch. Question is, what's the path for the water to get there? Via the glass gasket or the hatch seal where it closes against the car?

Thx,

Ron

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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:48:37 -0500
From: "David L. Winchell, II" <davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
Subject: WAS: Rieger sold NOW:  Announcing to the list
To: "Scirocco List" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <OOEIIBGDDDGPLKBOEAANOEFGFFAA.davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Ok, Hi, my name is Dave. (Hi, Dave) I have a problem. I have an addiction to
funny looking, quirky little German Cars known as Sciroccos...

I am forwarding to the list a message from George (Scourge) and my reply.  I
was holding off announcing this to the list as I was hoping to get this car
back to its former glory before the upcoming Cincy (I can hardly wait.)  Al
has been here since he moved to look the car over and take it for a run up
the street. We had some fun with the car that day and discovered that the
clutch needs to be replaced. I have also had an exhaust manifold gasket
problem that has gotten progressively worse to the point where it is loud as
can be under the hood and am getting no spool up of the turbo. Dan, Al,
Thanks for the replies.  I am getting that gasket replaced before I start
playing with other things.  As soon as it is finished I will ask if further
problems exist.

Anywho...  Anyone that has any questions about the car or needs anything let
me know.  Hit my website at car domain or the one linked below for more
pictures.

Thanks for the bandwidth,

Dave

David L. Winchell, II
DavidWinchell2@sprynet.com
87 16V Scirocco (Soon to be a Rieger Scirocco)
86 8V Scirocco (Soon to be a BBS Scirocco)
84 8V Scirocco BBS
86 8V Scirocco (Parts car)
01 V6 Galant
00 Silverado
www.cardomain.com/id/xavsbud

-----Original Message-----
From: Scourge [mailto:scourge@cogeco.ca]
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:21 AM
To: David L. Winchell, II
Subject: Re: Rieger sold


It's you!!!!!!!
I've been looking for the 84 BBS roc for ever!!!  That's my orgasm rocco,
lol, I LOVE that car.
Now I need you pester you about it :)
When did you get it? Got any other pics then those on your cardomain
account? What else is done to the motor besides the turbo?  Ever had it
dynoed or to the track? What kind of seats are those? Think you wanna give
me the care now that you're building a reiger?(haha)
Thanx for any time you can take to respond.

-George




George,

YES!!!!!  I bought that car from Evan Scott this past fall in September or
October.  I saw it posted one morning on the vortex and sent him a deposit
with in minutes of getting ahold of him. He had owned it for about four
years.  He had purchased it from Eric Lohman (???) (an ex lister)

I hadn't really announced to the list that I had bought as I was hoping to
get it right and show up with it at Cincy this year.  I have found out a lot
about the car and its history. this is THE car that was featured in VW &
Porsche in 1985 that had been built by Neuspeed. At the time of that article
it was black. This same car was pictured in Greg Raven's book "VOLKSWAGEN
Water-Cooled, Front Drive PERFORMANCE HANDBOOK" on page 12. This car was
painted yellow before it was put in Neuspeed's catalog to show the BBS line
up that they offered.  the MOST unique feature of the car is the seats.
These are Sheel Mann's. German imported seats that I believe were popular
seats with German tuners for BMW, such as AC Schnitzer.  As far as I know
they are the only set like them in the US.  It has a full array of custom
VDO gauges that are color matched to the car.

The motor was swapped when Eric bought the car and transported in from
California to the East Coast. It was a stock G60 that he worked to a feisty
little beast.  The folder I got when I bought the car has some dyno sheets
from the time showing the G-lader motor pushing over 200hp and 215 ft/lbs of
torque. Part of that power was from head work and cam, the rest from pulley
changes and chip mod. When the G60 went bad, Evan (the guy I bought the car
from) decided to switch to a turbo instead of the G-lader. He had three
custom chips made for different kinds of driving and racing. I have all
three now.  The car is running 12 lbs of boost currently, but there is
currently an exhaust leak at the head/manifold that is causing serious loss
of power.  The thing is a torque monster when it is running right. As far as
I know Evan never had it dynoed.  I was hoping to get all the issues fixed
quickly as the local dubbers are having a Dyno day next Monday. It would be
awesome to put it on and get the hard proof.

Right now the car needs some work as Evan was using this car as his daily
driver. There are some major electrical gremlins and restoration work that
is needed.  When I got the car I could not drive it at night as ALL of the
adjusters were broken on the Euro lights. All of the dash lights were not
working and that also made night driving a little more difficult. The seats
are in good shape over all, but the leather is fading in areas.  The MOMO
steering wheel is showing wear on the yellow colored areas and need to be
replaced or redyed. The passenger door was kicked by someone at Evans school
and has some wicked dents in it.  Once all is taken car of on the exterior
of the car I would like to get the BBS body kit glassed on to make it look
factory original with no seams or joints. Then have the car resprayed
yellow. The rear wing is a Zender 3 piece. It was painted and being foam it
has not liked the paint that much.  The paint is cracked everywhere. I have
to figure out how to strip the paint, but leave the surface of the wing
intact.

As far as additional pictures, I have a bunch.  A few that Evan had sent me
and them a bunch I have taken.  The ones on the cardomain site I shot the
day I brought the car home.  I haven't done anything to the appearance of
the car since I bought it.  I have been trying to get everything
mechanically right before I start with the looks of the car. I have a
personal website at http://home.sprynet.com/~xavsbud/  I will try to get
some more pictures up there when time allows.

I actually have two additional BBS kits that I had purchased for my other
two roccs. Now that I have the Rieger kit I will be selling one of the BBS
kits.  Let mw know if you are interested.

I have to run for now.  Let me know if there is anything else you would like
to know or see and I will try to get it for you.

Thanks,

Dave

David L. Winchell, II
DavidWinchell2@sprynet.com
87 16V Scirocco
86 8V Scirocco
84 8V Scirocco
01 V6 Galant
00 Silverado
www.cardomain.com/id/xavsbud




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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 03:59:56 -0800
From: T Berk <tberk@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: no start (and dead starter?)
Cc: 'scirocco list' <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <41D933BC.5060304@sbcglobal.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Michael lane wrote:
Most of the time when you have running conditions related to rain, and
humidity it's fairly easy to point the finger at plug wires. Not to
mention that misting rain stuff gets into everything. I would try
swapping out the plug wires for a known good set to rule out crossfire.
-Mike


I addition to the plug wires I would add you should recondition your Battery to chassis/block and Battery to Starter cables.

They are cheap to source from your FLAPS, (f. local parts store).

When things are misty (rainy) and very humid and you are not getting good starting then you must not have a good connection, and/or have lots of resistance/corrosion in the path.

The iron, and more importantly Copper in the electrical system WANTS to transport the electricity. Getting in the way is corrosion and age.

Clean your cables connections and rebolt, having smeared a little dielectric grease on the clean metal 1st. If you don't have any, use petroleum jelly instead. Or just swap them out for some 4, 2 or even ZERO gauge cables ;])

Also, check for condensation under the Distributor's cap. This along with say carbon tracks can lead to a short circuit.


TBerk





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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 04:26:29 -0800
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: no start (and dead starter?)
To: "Foxx \(in a box\)" <foxxinabox@wideopenwest.com>,	"scirocco list"
	<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <001401c4f18f$8f991c50$1f5b7c44@mastershake>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Put a new distributor cap on the thing, charge the battery up(you've just
run it down), and the starter is fine.
BTDT
Larry
sandiego16v


  having problems with my '86 8v. we've had misty ran here lately and
my car doesn't care for it (ran into this previously but the problem
fixed itself then). for the most part, the car will crank and not catch.
i know it's getting fuel as i can smell it flooding. i would check for
spark but when i was trying to start it tonight the batter ran a little
low. i hooked up the battery charger and tried to start it again. now
all i get is the inital single -slow- turn over then click-click-click,
then another turn over followed by three more clicks. the voltmeter
inside says i have 12V+.
  i'm thinking my no start problem is the coil, but as for the starter,
did the battery charger kill it or was it simply on its way out? i have
spares of both, but it became too dark and cold to work on it tonight.
any ideas would be helpful. thanx.

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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:56:16 -0500
From: <danws69@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat)
To: "'Scirocco email List'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <013c01c4f193$9d0da460$2600a8c0@deez2>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Yup, that's the hat, and thank you listers for contacting David as we've
already been in contact a few times now thanks to my inquiry.

I wasn't pissed or anything, I just wanted to make sure he was still
'there'.


And yes, he says he has some hats and fender covers left.


-----



Happy 'Roccin'!



Dan Snow
Tampa, FL
2-damned-many.....

-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of T Berk
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 04:38
To: Scirocco email List
Subject: Re: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat)


Neptuno wrote:
If that is the one. I would be all over it..... I hope some one confirms this! El Tony


I'm not him But I can confirm that is a picture of what was described as the 'Team Scirocco' hat. There is another one that is the 'Mk1 in profile outline' that I own (used to have two but...)

It's a bargain at any price. Buy one to wear and one to keep on the shelf.

These are a limited run type product, made from the love seat and and tears of a Scirocco Enthusiast like yourself.


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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 07:59:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Subject: Re: no start (and dead starter?)
To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <1091.216.209.129.84.1104757171.squirrel@216.209.129.84>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

It may not be a bad plan to load test the battery. I've had them indicate
12+V and still fail to crank the car over enthusiastically enough,
especially if there are other issues for the starter to overcome. Then you
know you've at least ruled that out.
Cathy


Put a new distributor cap on the thing, charge the battery up(you've just
run it down), and the starter is fine.
BTDT
Larry
sandiego16v


   having problems with my '86 8v. we've had misty ran here lately and
my car doesn't care for it (ran into this previously but the problem
fixed itself then). for the most part, the car will crank and not catch.
i know it's getting fuel as i can smell it flooding. i would check for
spark but when i was trying to start it tonight the batter ran a little
low. i hooked up the battery charger and tried to start it again. now
all i get is the inital single -slow- turn over then click-click-click,
then another turn over followed by three more clicks. the voltmeter
inside says i have 12V+.
   i'm thinking my no start problem is the coil, but as for the starter,
did the battery charger kill it or was it simply on its way out? i have
spares of both, but it became too dark and cold to work on it tonight.
any ideas would be helpful. thanx.

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:01:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Pelletier <vwnuts@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: 1980 Scirocco S
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <20050103140120.46341.qmail@web50107.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Just figured I'd put this up to the list as well as
the vwvortex.  You guys have been great to talk with
over the years, and I will continue to stay on the
list, but I've decided to put my 80 up for sale. Info
is available at the following link.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1757839




		
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:22:35 -0600
From: "Brian Wagner" <dagnamit@gmail.com>
Subject: RE: 1980 Scirocco S
To: "'Anthony Pelletier'" <vwnuts@yahoo.com>,
	<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <41d95538.0a402a16.4170.04ab@smtp.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;

Gorgeous car and good luck with the sale. If I had the money that would be
on the A list to buy.

Brian

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[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Pelletier
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:01 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: FS: 1980 Scirocco S

Just figured I'd put this up to the list as well as
the vwvortex.  You guys have been great to talk with
over the years, and I will continue to stay on the
list, but I've decided to put my 80 up for sale. Info
is available at the following link.
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 06:31:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Anthony Pelletier <vwnuts@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: 1980 Scirocco S
To: Brian Wagner <dagnamit@gmail.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <20050103143106.79634.qmail@web50104.mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Thanks for the kind words.  I don't really want to
sell it, but the reality is that I don't drive it all
that much and would like to see someone buy it that
will do more with it.

--- Brian Wagner <dagnamit@gmail.com> wrote:

Gorgeous car and good luck with the sale. If I had
the money that would be
on the A list to buy.

Brian

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[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf
Of Anthony Pelletier
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:01 AM
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: FS: 1980 Scirocco S

Just figured I'd put this up to the list as well as
the vwvortex.  You guys have been great to talk with
over the years, and I will continue to stay on the
list, but I've decided to put my 80 up for sale.
Info
is available at the following link.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id57839





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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 9:43:13 -0500
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
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From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 2005/01/02 Sun PM 09:34:51 EST
To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com>, "Parker Wulf" <badvdub@gmail.com>
CC: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!





> > er, what does it mean to "stake" the axle nuts?

> > Use a hammer and chisel (w/ a fairly blunt end) to "dent" the egged > nut on the semi-flat spot ...

Yes.  and do this before they are installed.


>you could marr the threads
> of the halfshaft with a chisel after the nut is torqued to keep it
> from loosening as well
What??   This is not something I would advise.

Larry
sandiego16v

I agree, modifiying a fastener is foolhardy.  You could not know how much is too much.  If you absolutely insist to do this, do it with 'new' OE nuts...

 I thought we were initially talking about stub axle nuts (rear), not the fronts...  I must say I have never had any trouble with the fronts either, and I believe I know why.  Don told me years ago that when you do the front nuts up, do it with the impact, and do it until it does not move any more.  IIRC, his impact goes up to nearly 300 ft/lb.  It would take a lot of work and/or a long breaker bar to duplicate that pressure!

Sorry for the confusion on my part...

David

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Message: 29
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:09:20 -0500
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel screen question
To: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca>
Date: 2005/01/02 Sun PM 09:15:26 EST
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Fuel screen question

Since I ran my tank nearly dry a while back, and have had some issues I'm
trying to track down, I decided to look at the screen in the fuel tank.
Well, this is the 1979 / 8V (ie. no transfer pump), and pulling the
inspection hatch reveals a dark, block shaped object in the tank, and
nothing that looks especially filter/screen like. So, am I wrong to think
there's a screen in there somewhere? And if so, where? (I wasn't going to
stick my hand in there to probe around, as the tank's full and I'd
displace too much fuel) Bentley isn't very helpful. On the plus side,
there was a bit of fine crud in the screen on the CPR, so it was good that
I got that outa there. The tank itself looks really clean and crud free,
which was good to see at least. And the hatch came off easily, unlike that
on the younger sister.


Cathy, eternally searching for perfection...
1999 TDI New Beetle
1987 2L 16V Scirocco
1979 1.8L 10:1 8V
"Deja moo- the feeling you've heard this bull before"

In the center of the plastic baffle in the tank, there is indeed a round screen, no more than 3 inches OD (IIRC).  I fashioned a puller from a coat hangar.  You will have to pull hard to get it out, but it will come.  I think there was a ring that was attatched to the top of it, that is what I hooked onto.

All this is from memory.  Hopefully it is as simple as I remember (I just turned 35, as I get older -everything- gets easier)...

David

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Message: 30
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 10:54:18 -0500
From: "Matthew H." <rjtremor@core.com>
Subject: Re: Rieger sold NOW:  Announcing to the list
To: "David L. Winchell, II" <davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>,
	"Scirocco List" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
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----- Original Message ----- From: "David L. Winchell, II" <davidwinchell2@sprynet.com>
To: "Scirocco List" <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:48 AM
Subject: WAS: Rieger sold NOW: Announcing to the list


Ok, Hi, my name is Dave. (Hi, Dave) I have a problem. I have an addiction
to
funny looking, quirky little German Cars known as Sciroccos...

Holy crap dude, you've been BUSY. And in lots and lots of good little ways.
Your popularity points just skyrocketed, I think, with this one e-mail. ^.~
Looking forward to seeing any and all of those cars this year. You WILL be
bringing one to Cincy, won't you? *Eyeballs...*


~Matt/RJ
1985 Audi Coupe GT - The Evil Car
"I know God loves me. He gave me an Audi!"
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Message: 31
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:53:54 -0500
From: GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <50bda39a05010308533d058354@mail.gmail.com>
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All this talk has got me a little nervous - last week I disassembled
my brake drums in the rear and cleaned everthing and repacked the
wheel bearings and such.  When I put the bearings back on, I'm pretty
sure I followed the bentley exactly which said basically to put the
bearing in, then the thrust washer, then put the nut on and tighten it
just enough that you can still move the thrust washer sideways.  I was
suprised that you weren't supposed to tighten it down any harder, but
followed the directions because, "what do I know."  There was a cotter
pin that went on after that, but there wasn't anything more with this
staking stuff that I should have done, was there?  Thanks.

-Grant-



On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 9:43:13 -0500, David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net> wrote:

>
> From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net >
> Date: 2005/01/02 Sun PM 09:34:51 EST
> To: "Mark F." <mk1mark@gmail.com >,
>       "Parker Wulf" <badvdub@gmail.com >
> CC: list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org >
> Subject: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
>
>
>
>
>
> > > er, what does it mean to "stake" the axle nuts?
>
> >
> > Use a hammer and chisel (w/ a fairly blunt end)  to "dent" the egged
> > nut on the semi-flat spot ...
>
>
> Yes.  and do this before they are installed.
>
>
> >you could marr the threads
> > of the halfshaft with a chisel after the nut is torqued to keep it
> > from loosening as well
>
> What??   This is not something I would advise.
>
> Larry
> sandiego16v

I agree, modifiying a fastener is foolhardy.  You could not know how much is too much.  If you absolutely insist to do this, do it with 'new' OE nuts...

  I thought we were initially talking about stub axle nuts (rear), not the fronts...  I must say I have never had any trouble with the fronts either, and I believe I know why.  Don told me years ago that when you do the front nuts up, do it with the impact, and do it until it does not move any more.  IIRC, his impact goes up to nearly 300 ft/lb.  It would take a lot of work and/or a long breaker bar to duplicate that pressure!

Sorry for the confusion on my part...

David

Nothing can bring you peace but yourself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson


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Message: 32
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:11:31 -0800
From: "Brad Sterling" <bgsterling@bluebottle.com>
Subject: RE: "Wassersport" contact (Team Scirocco Hat)
To: "Scirocco email List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBKCJFJHOPCMNHNNMDAEFMLJAA.bgsterling@bluebottle.com>
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<snip Tberk>

I'm not him But I can confirm that is a picture of what was described as
the 'Team Scirocco' hat.  There is another one that is the 'Mk1 in
profile outline' that I own (used to have two but...)
<end snip>

I'm not him either, but I can confirm that the picture is of the exact hat I
bought from David Guido some years back.  It's a high quality hat.

-Brad
'86 Scirocco 16v



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Message: 33
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:21:19 -0800
From: "Brad Sterling" <bgsterling@bluebottle.com>
Subject: Power Steering Fluid
To: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-L@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <NEBBKCJFJHOPCMNHNNMDGEFMLJAA.bgsterling@bluebottle.com>
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The power steering pump on my 16v is starting to make some noise like it's
low on fluid.  Since I've basically done nothing with this unit sine I've
had to car, I think a flush and change of fluid is in order.  Any
suggestions on a flush agent and/or fluid?  TIA.

-Brad
'86 Scirocco 16v




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Message: 34
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:22:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Gordy Stedman <ydrogstedman@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Stake your axle nuts!
To: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <20050103172203.68530.qmail@web90006.mail.scd.yahoo.com>
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I have followed the same procedure to tighten the rear axle nuts and have never had a problem.  I suppose that if you reused the original cotter pin and it broke and fell out then you might be ridding on 3 wheels the bad way.  If you read earlier posts they were refering to the front axle nuts.  I have changed out a few drive lines and had to replace wheel bearings multiple times and always re-torqued the original axle nuts with my 4' - 3/4" iron pipe breaker bar.  I suppose that if one can get >170lbs of torque on the axle nut then go for it.  It will just be a bigger bitch to get it off when you need to replace that clicking cv or thumping wheel bearing.  Damaging the threads on the axle spline sounds like a really bad idea, if I read that email right yesterday.  Locktite sounds like a better solution.  I do have to add that all my roccos have been 1.8l 8v :( (soon to change) so I have only exerted about 100lbs of horses and torque on my drivetrain.  Things might be differ
en!
t if
you are racing or running a VR6 or a turbo 2.0l with NOS.

GGehrke <ggehrke@gmail.com> wrote:All this talk has got me a little nervous - last week I disassembled
my brake drums in the rear and cleaned everthing and repacked the
wheel bearings and such. When I put the bearings back on, I'm pretty
sure I followed the bentley exactly which said basically to put the
bearing in, then the thrust washer, then put the nut on and tighten it
just enough that you can still move the thrust washer sideways. I was
suprised that you weren't supposed to tighten it down any harder, but
followed the directions because, "what do I know." There was a cotter
pin that went on after that, but there wasn't anything more with this
staking stuff that I should have done, was there? Thanks.

-Grant-




Gordy S
P-Town, OR

79' Scirocco 8v X 2
80' Scirocco S 16v (work in progress)
		
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Have you checked th eoperation of the wastegate?

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Question for the Boosted guys....


Ok, I have a problem that I want to verify it is what I think it is. =20

Back Ground: This is a Corrado G60 Motor (in a Rocc) the g-lader was
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The problem:  I have an exhaust manifold gasket leak that has gotten
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The question: As of right now I am getting no boost.  Is it that the
leak at the manifold/head is causing enough back pressure that the turbo
is not spooling? Or do I have another problem that I need to be looking
into?

Any help and suggestions would be great.

TAI for your help,

Dave

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'87 Scirocco 2.0L 16V
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Message: 35
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:27:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Ben Harder <vwtype53@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FS: 1980 Scirocco S
To: Anthony Pelletier <vwnuts@yahoo.com>, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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Hey Anthony...

Sorry to see your car for sale.  I remember years ago when
you bought it from down this way... sure was a fast 8v!
You know, once you sell it you will want it back.  ;)

Good luck,

Ben


--- Anthony Pelletier <vwnuts@yahoo.com> wrote:

Just figured I'd put this up to the list as well as
the vwvortex.  You guys have been great to talk with
over the years, and I will continue to stay on the
list, but I've decided to put my 80 up for sale. Info
is available at the following link.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1757839




		
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Message: 36
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 12:34:22 -0500
From: <danws69@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Power Steering Fluid
To: "'Brad Sterling'" <bgsterling@bluebottle.com>,	"roc"
	<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <015401c4f1ba$76b80900$2600a8c0@deez2>
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I used some Lucas Stop LeakR and it does put a dent in any leak....fluid
doesn't just disappear.

And a new rack can be purchased from www.parts4vws.com


HTH,


Dan Snow
2-damned-many

-----Original Message-----
From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Brad Sterling
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:21
To: Scirocco List
Subject: Power Steering Fluid


The power steering pump on my 16v is starting to make some noise like it's
low on fluid.  Since I've basically done nothing with this unit sine I've
had to car, I think a flush and change of fluid is in order.  Any
suggestions on a flush agent and/or fluid?  TIA.

-Brad
'86 Scirocco 16v



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