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4k tranny?

To be honest, I can't recall...

David
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
To: "David Utley" <fahrvergnugen@cox.net>
Cc: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>; "Scirocco List"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: 4k tranny?


> what i meant was, did all trannys have the problem up to a certain
> year, or was it just 4ks...
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:45 PM, David Utley wrote:
>
> > Just the 4K, it was mid-year '84, again IIRC...
> >
> > David
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
> > To: "David Utley" <fahrvergnugen@cox.net>
> > Cc: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>; "Scirocco List"
> > <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: 4k tranny?
> >
> >
> >> i'll look into that.
> >>
> >> blake/
> >>
> >> (does that date apply to all transmissions, or just 4k?)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:02 PM, David Utley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Before a certain date, which is the number stamped after the '4K',
> >>> you will
> >>> need to have it done for a clearer state of mind.  However, I don't
> >>> know
> >>> what that date is.  IIRC, German Transaxle in Bend, OR., knows and
> >>> can tell
> >>> you (do a search, you will find the number)...  BTW, that date
> >>> would be day,
> >>> month, year, in that order...
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
> >>> To: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:28 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: 4k tranny?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> thanks Dan, you're confirming my instincts about this.  the only
> >>>> bummer about my jetta tranny is that it can't take the clutch i
> >>>> bought for it (16v sachs) and that i think the leak is from the
> >>>> 'self-
> >>>> machining problem' that the 80's vw's had.
> >>>>
> >>>> does anyone know if i would need to do the circlip fix to the 4k
> >>>> if i
> >>>> bought it, to prevent the self-machining issue?
> >>>>
> >>>> blake/
> >>>>
> >>>> On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:39 AM, Dan Bubb wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I want to shed a little light on Scirocco trannies due to some
> >>>>> comments that have been made in the various threads pertaining to
> >>>>> this.
> >>>>> First off the fact that your current tranny came out of Jetta
> >>>>> doesn't
> >>>>> in any way invalidate it's use in a Scirocco. There is nothing
> >>>>> Jetta
> >>>>> (or Scirocco) specific about any 020 tranny.
> >>>>> It may not have the same gear ratios as a Scirocco original, but
> >>>>> they
> >>>>> are fundamentally the same box.
> >>>>> Some of us rejoice in the availability of all sorts of gear
> >>>>> ratios for
> >>>>> these trannies since it lets us set up one box for use with a no-
> >>>>> guts
> >>>>> 1.7L 8V and another box for an RPM hungry 16V and yet another
> >>>>> for a
> >>>>> torque monster turbo engine.
> >>>>> As far as shift quality, there is no difference between the
> >>>>> various
> >>>>> 020 code trannies as far as the internal shift linkage. If you
> >>>>> want
> >>>>> shift quality with an 020 make sure your shift bushings and
> >>>>> linkages
> >>>>> are in new condition. If that doesn't cut it, get a linkage kit
> >>>>> from
> >>>>> Scott Rose. That's about as good as it's going to get.
> >>>>> As Phil points out there are differences in the 020 over the
> >>>>> years.
> >>>>> Early cases had different axle flanges that mated to a smaller
> >>>>> seal
> >>>>> and the case had smaller holes to coorespond to these seals.
> >>>>> So, for
> >>>>> instance, you can't put a 100mm flange into one of these early
> >>>>> cases
> >>>>> (e.g. FF, FN, FO....)
> >>>>> Also, the "16V" boxes (2Y, AGB, AMC, CHE and DFQ) have a bigger
> >>>>> input
> >>>>> shaft, 22mm vs, 24mm. The change to the pinion shaft is
> >>>>> minimal. The
> >>>>> splines for 4th gear are larger and that's hardly the weak
> >>>>> point of
> >>>>> the pinion shaft!
> >>>>> Other than the limitation imposed by the larger splines in the
> >>>>> "16V"
> >>>>> boxes for 4th gear, ALL of the ratios are interchangeable from
> >>>>> box to
> >>>>> box.
> >>>>> I'll dispute the notion that non-16V boxes are marginal over 140+
> >>>>> torque. My nephew is currently producing 210 ft-lb at the wheels.
> >>>>> He's
> >>>>> been over 200 for over two years now. Course, lots of people
> >>>>> "slap" a
> >>>>> used box in and it busts cause it was worn out when they put it
> >>>>> in.
> >>>>> So, they "rip" that out and "slap" another used up box in and it
> >>>>> busts
> >>>>> and they tell the world an 020 can't take any torque.
> >>>>> As far as usage issues, Cathy's pretty much got it nailed. I
> >>>>> generally
> >>>>> don't mind the high RPM on the highway. Some people hate it. I
> >>>>> can't
> >>>>> stand big jumps between 4th and 5th, it doesn't bother other
> >>>>> people at
> >>>>> all.
> >>>>> My <.02
> >>>>> Dan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/15/05, Phil Boeye <rocco_phil@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- Blake Irvin <blake@clockworm.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> someone on the list has recommended a 4k tranny for
> >>>>>>> me.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> what are the pros/cons, etc?  i want good, even
> >>>>>>> shift feel, and
> >>>>>>> decent gas mileage.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I didn't think about this previously, but from what I
> >>>>>> have heard the 4K or 2H (which were 8v boxes) have
> >>>>>> some problems when dealing with heavier torque (140+)
> >>>>>> due to the smaller input shaft and smaller pinion
> >>>>>> shaft, in addition to the 90mm drive flanges (those
> >>>>>> must be swapped out for 16v).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So Blake, as I understand you're sporting a 16v,
> >>>>>> correct?  Depending on how beefy you want to go, then
> >>>>>> you can make your decision.  Me, I have a 2H slated
> >>>>>> for my 8v, which is pushing some good torque out with
> >>>>>> its 2L/JH setup.  I am personally not too concerned.
> >>>>>> But I will say this - I have bought a 0.71 fifth gear
> >>>>>> and definitely plan to use it!  Consider buying a tall
> >>>>>> fifth gear yourself if you do much touring (highways).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Btw, the guy in the thread, I think, will contact you
> >>>>>> about the tranny.  He is just responding to me because
> >>>>>> I mentioned interest  first (in lieu of you). I've
> >>>>>> told him you're interested.  Just IM him, I guess.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -Phil
> >>>>>>
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