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4k tranny?

i'll look into that.

blake/

(does that date apply to all transmissions, or just 4k?)


On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:02 PM, David Utley wrote:

> Before a certain date, which is the number stamped after the '4K',  
> you will
> need to have it done for a clearer state of mind.  However, I don't  
> know
> what that date is.  IIRC, German Transaxle in Bend, OR., knows and  
> can tell
> you (do a search, you will find the number)...  BTW, that date  
> would be day,
> month, year, in that order...
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
> To: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>
> Cc: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: 4k tranny?
>
>
>> thanks Dan, you're confirming my instincts about this.  the only
>> bummer about my jetta tranny is that it can't take the clutch i
>> bought for it (16v sachs) and that i think the leak is from the  
>> 'self-
>> machining problem' that the 80's vw's had.
>>
>> does anyone know if i would need to do the circlip fix to the 4k if i
>> bought it, to prevent the self-machining issue?
>>
>> blake/
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:39 AM, Dan Bubb wrote:
>>
>>> I want to shed a little light on Scirocco trannies due to some
>>> comments that have been made in the various threads pertaining to
>>> this.
>>> First off the fact that your current tranny came out of Jetta  
>>> doesn't
>>> in any way invalidate it's use in a Scirocco. There is nothing Jetta
>>> (or Scirocco) specific about any 020 tranny.
>>> It may not have the same gear ratios as a Scirocco original, but  
>>> they
>>> are fundamentally the same box.
>>> Some of us rejoice in the availability of all sorts of gear  
>>> ratios for
>>> these trannies since it lets us set up one box for use with a no- 
>>> guts
>>> 1.7L 8V and another box for an RPM hungry 16V and yet another for a
>>> torque monster turbo engine.
>>> As far as shift quality, there is no difference between the various
>>> 020 code trannies as far as the internal shift linkage. If you want
>>> shift quality with an 020 make sure your shift bushings and linkages
>>> are in new condition. If that doesn't cut it, get a linkage kit from
>>> Scott Rose. That's about as good as it's going to get.
>>> As Phil points out there are differences in the 020 over the years.
>>> Early cases had different axle flanges that mated to a smaller seal
>>> and the case had smaller holes to coorespond to these seals. So, for
>>> instance, you can't put a 100mm flange into one of these early cases
>>> (e.g. FF, FN, FO....)
>>> Also, the "16V" boxes (2Y, AGB, AMC, CHE and DFQ) have a bigger  
>>> input
>>> shaft, 22mm vs, 24mm. The change to the pinion shaft is minimal. The
>>> splines for 4th gear are larger and that's hardly the weak point of
>>> the pinion shaft!
>>> Other than the limitation imposed by the larger splines in the "16V"
>>> boxes for 4th gear, ALL of the ratios are interchangeable from  
>>> box to
>>> box.
>>> I'll dispute the notion that non-16V boxes are marginal over 140+
>>> torque. My nephew is currently producing 210 ft-lb at the wheels.  
>>> He's
>>> been over 200 for over two years now. Course, lots of people  
>>> "slap" a
>>> used box in and it busts cause it was worn out when they put it in.
>>> So, they "rip" that out and "slap" another used up box in and it  
>>> busts
>>> and they tell the world an 020 can't take any torque.
>>> As far as usage issues, Cathy's pretty much got it nailed. I  
>>> generally
>>> don't mind the high RPM on the highway. Some people hate it. I can't
>>> stand big jumps between 4th and 5th, it doesn't bother other  
>>> people at
>>> all.
>>> My <.02
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On 12/15/05, Phil Boeye <rocco_phil@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> --- Blake Irvin <blake@clockworm.com> wrote:
>>>>> someone on the list has recommended a 4k tranny for
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> what are the pros/cons, etc?  i want good, even
>>>>> shift feel, and
>>>>> decent gas mileage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn't think about this previously, but from what I
>>>> have heard the 4K or 2H (which were 8v boxes) have
>>>> some problems when dealing with heavier torque (140+)
>>>> due to the smaller input shaft and smaller pinion
>>>> shaft, in addition to the 90mm drive flanges (those
>>>> must be swapped out for 16v).
>>>>
>>>> So Blake, as I understand you're sporting a 16v,
>>>> correct?  Depending on how beefy you want to go, then
>>>> you can make your decision.  Me, I have a 2H slated
>>>> for my 8v, which is pushing some good torque out with
>>>> its 2L/JH setup.  I am personally not too concerned.
>>>> But I will say this - I have bought a 0.71 fifth gear
>>>> and definitely plan to use it!  Consider buying a tall
>>>> fifth gear yourself if you do much touring (highways).
>>>>
>>>> Btw, the guy in the thread, I think, will contact you
>>>> about the tranny.  He is just responding to me because
>>>> I mentioned interest  first (in lieu of you). I've
>>>> told him you're interested.  Just IM him, I guess.
>>>>
>>>> -Phil
>>>>
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