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4k tranny?



Just the 4K, it was mid-year '84, again IIRC...

David
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
To: "David Utley" <fahrvergnugen@cox.net>
Cc: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>; "Scirocco List"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: 4k tranny?


> i'll look into that.
>
> blake/
>
> (does that date apply to all transmissions, or just 4k?)
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:02 PM, David Utley wrote:
>
> > Before a certain date, which is the number stamped after the '4K',
> > you will
> > need to have it done for a clearer state of mind.  However, I don't
> > know
> > what that date is.  IIRC, German Transaxle in Bend, OR., knows and
> > can tell
> > you (do a search, you will find the number)...  BTW, that date
> > would be day,
> > month, year, in that order...
> >
> > David
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
> > To: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: 4k tranny?
> >
> >
> >> thanks Dan, you're confirming my instincts about this.  the only
> >> bummer about my jetta tranny is that it can't take the clutch i
> >> bought for it (16v sachs) and that i think the leak is from the
> >> 'self-
> >> machining problem' that the 80's vw's had.
> >>
> >> does anyone know if i would need to do the circlip fix to the 4k if i
> >> bought it, to prevent the self-machining issue?
> >>
> >> blake/
> >>
> >> On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:39 AM, Dan Bubb wrote:
> >>
> >>> I want to shed a little light on Scirocco trannies due to some
> >>> comments that have been made in the various threads pertaining to
> >>> this.
> >>> First off the fact that your current tranny came out of Jetta
> >>> doesn't
> >>> in any way invalidate it's use in a Scirocco. There is nothing Jetta
> >>> (or Scirocco) specific about any 020 tranny.
> >>> It may not have the same gear ratios as a Scirocco original, but
> >>> they
> >>> are fundamentally the same box.
> >>> Some of us rejoice in the availability of all sorts of gear
> >>> ratios for
> >>> these trannies since it lets us set up one box for use with a no-
> >>> guts
> >>> 1.7L 8V and another box for an RPM hungry 16V and yet another for a
> >>> torque monster turbo engine.
> >>> As far as shift quality, there is no difference between the various
> >>> 020 code trannies as far as the internal shift linkage. If you want
> >>> shift quality with an 020 make sure your shift bushings and linkages
> >>> are in new condition. If that doesn't cut it, get a linkage kit from
> >>> Scott Rose. That's about as good as it's going to get.
> >>> As Phil points out there are differences in the 020 over the years.
> >>> Early cases had different axle flanges that mated to a smaller seal
> >>> and the case had smaller holes to coorespond to these seals. So, for
> >>> instance, you can't put a 100mm flange into one of these early cases
> >>> (e.g. FF, FN, FO....)
> >>> Also, the "16V" boxes (2Y, AGB, AMC, CHE and DFQ) have a bigger
> >>> input
> >>> shaft, 22mm vs, 24mm. The change to the pinion shaft is minimal. The
> >>> splines for 4th gear are larger and that's hardly the weak point of
> >>> the pinion shaft!
> >>> Other than the limitation imposed by the larger splines in the "16V"
> >>> boxes for 4th gear, ALL of the ratios are interchangeable from
> >>> box to
> >>> box.
> >>> I'll dispute the notion that non-16V boxes are marginal over 140+
> >>> torque. My nephew is currently producing 210 ft-lb at the wheels.
> >>> He's
> >>> been over 200 for over two years now. Course, lots of people
> >>> "slap" a
> >>> used box in and it busts cause it was worn out when they put it in.
> >>> So, they "rip" that out and "slap" another used up box in and it
> >>> busts
> >>> and they tell the world an 020 can't take any torque.
> >>> As far as usage issues, Cathy's pretty much got it nailed. I
> >>> generally
> >>> don't mind the high RPM on the highway. Some people hate it. I can't
> >>> stand big jumps between 4th and 5th, it doesn't bother other
> >>> people at
> >>> all.
> >>> My <.02
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>> On 12/15/05, Phil Boeye <rocco_phil@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Blake Irvin <blake@clockworm.com> wrote:
> >>>>> someone on the list has recommended a 4k tranny for
> >>>>> me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> what are the pros/cons, etc?  i want good, even
> >>>>> shift feel, and
> >>>>> decent gas mileage.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't think about this previously, but from what I
> >>>> have heard the 4K or 2H (which were 8v boxes) have
> >>>> some problems when dealing with heavier torque (140+)
> >>>> due to the smaller input shaft and smaller pinion
> >>>> shaft, in addition to the 90mm drive flanges (those
> >>>> must be swapped out for 16v).
> >>>>
> >>>> So Blake, as I understand you're sporting a 16v,
> >>>> correct?  Depending on how beefy you want to go, then
> >>>> you can make your decision.  Me, I have a 2H slated
> >>>> for my 8v, which is pushing some good torque out with
> >>>> its 2L/JH setup.  I am personally not too concerned.
> >>>> But I will say this - I have bought a 0.71 fifth gear
> >>>> and definitely plan to use it!  Consider buying a tall
> >>>> fifth gear yourself if you do much touring (highways).
> >>>>
> >>>> Btw, the guy in the thread, I think, will contact you
> >>>> about the tranny.  He is just responding to me because
> >>>> I mentioned interest  first (in lieu of you). I've
> >>>> told him you're interested.  Just IM him, I guess.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Phil
> >>>>
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