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4k tranny?

what i meant was, did all trannys have the problem up to a certain  
year, or was it just 4ks...


On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:45 PM, David Utley wrote:

> Just the 4K, it was mid-year '84, again IIRC...
>
> David
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
> To: "David Utley" <fahrvergnugen@cox.net>
> Cc: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>; "Scirocco List"
> <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: 4k tranny?
>
>
>> i'll look into that.
>>
>> blake/
>>
>> (does that date apply to all transmissions, or just 4k?)
>>
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2005, at 11:02 PM, David Utley wrote:
>>
>>> Before a certain date, which is the number stamped after the '4K',
>>> you will
>>> need to have it done for a clearer state of mind.  However, I don't
>>> know
>>> what that date is.  IIRC, German Transaxle in Bend, OR., knows and
>>> can tell
>>> you (do a search, you will find the number)...  BTW, that date
>>> would be day,
>>> month, year, in that order...
>>>
>>> David
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Blake Irvin" <blake@clockworm.com>
>>> To: "Dan Bubb" <dan.bubb@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:28 PM
>>> Subject: Re: 4k tranny?
>>>
>>>
>>>> thanks Dan, you're confirming my instincts about this.  the only
>>>> bummer about my jetta tranny is that it can't take the clutch i
>>>> bought for it (16v sachs) and that i think the leak is from the
>>>> 'self-
>>>> machining problem' that the 80's vw's had.
>>>>
>>>> does anyone know if i would need to do the circlip fix to the 4k  
>>>> if i
>>>> bought it, to prevent the self-machining issue?
>>>>
>>>> blake/
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 15, 2005, at 7:39 AM, Dan Bubb wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I want to shed a little light on Scirocco trannies due to some
>>>>> comments that have been made in the various threads pertaining to
>>>>> this.
>>>>> First off the fact that your current tranny came out of Jetta
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> in any way invalidate it's use in a Scirocco. There is nothing  
>>>>> Jetta
>>>>> (or Scirocco) specific about any 020 tranny.
>>>>> It may not have the same gear ratios as a Scirocco original, but
>>>>> they
>>>>> are fundamentally the same box.
>>>>> Some of us rejoice in the availability of all sorts of gear
>>>>> ratios for
>>>>> these trannies since it lets us set up one box for use with a no-
>>>>> guts
>>>>> 1.7L 8V and another box for an RPM hungry 16V and yet another  
>>>>> for a
>>>>> torque monster turbo engine.
>>>>> As far as shift quality, there is no difference between the  
>>>>> various
>>>>> 020 code trannies as far as the internal shift linkage. If you  
>>>>> want
>>>>> shift quality with an 020 make sure your shift bushings and  
>>>>> linkages
>>>>> are in new condition. If that doesn't cut it, get a linkage kit  
>>>>> from
>>>>> Scott Rose. That's about as good as it's going to get.
>>>>> As Phil points out there are differences in the 020 over the  
>>>>> years.
>>>>> Early cases had different axle flanges that mated to a smaller  
>>>>> seal
>>>>> and the case had smaller holes to coorespond to these seals.  
>>>>> So, for
>>>>> instance, you can't put a 100mm flange into one of these early  
>>>>> cases
>>>>> (e.g. FF, FN, FO....)
>>>>> Also, the "16V" boxes (2Y, AGB, AMC, CHE and DFQ) have a bigger
>>>>> input
>>>>> shaft, 22mm vs, 24mm. The change to the pinion shaft is  
>>>>> minimal. The
>>>>> splines for 4th gear are larger and that's hardly the weak  
>>>>> point of
>>>>> the pinion shaft!
>>>>> Other than the limitation imposed by the larger splines in the  
>>>>> "16V"
>>>>> boxes for 4th gear, ALL of the ratios are interchangeable from
>>>>> box to
>>>>> box.
>>>>> I'll dispute the notion that non-16V boxes are marginal over 140+
>>>>> torque. My nephew is currently producing 210 ft-lb at the wheels.
>>>>> He's
>>>>> been over 200 for over two years now. Course, lots of people
>>>>> "slap" a
>>>>> used box in and it busts cause it was worn out when they put it  
>>>>> in.
>>>>> So, they "rip" that out and "slap" another used up box in and it
>>>>> busts
>>>>> and they tell the world an 020 can't take any torque.
>>>>> As far as usage issues, Cathy's pretty much got it nailed. I
>>>>> generally
>>>>> don't mind the high RPM on the highway. Some people hate it. I  
>>>>> can't
>>>>> stand big jumps between 4th and 5th, it doesn't bother other
>>>>> people at
>>>>> all.
>>>>> My <.02
>>>>> Dan
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/15/05, Phil Boeye <rocco_phil@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- Blake Irvin <blake@clockworm.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> someone on the list has recommended a 4k tranny for
>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what are the pros/cons, etc?  i want good, even
>>>>>>> shift feel, and
>>>>>>> decent gas mileage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't think about this previously, but from what I
>>>>>> have heard the 4K or 2H (which were 8v boxes) have
>>>>>> some problems when dealing with heavier torque (140+)
>>>>>> due to the smaller input shaft and smaller pinion
>>>>>> shaft, in addition to the 90mm drive flanges (those
>>>>>> must be swapped out for 16v).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So Blake, as I understand you're sporting a 16v,
>>>>>> correct?  Depending on how beefy you want to go, then
>>>>>> you can make your decision.  Me, I have a 2H slated
>>>>>> for my 8v, which is pushing some good torque out with
>>>>>> its 2L/JH setup.  I am personally not too concerned.
>>>>>> But I will say this - I have bought a 0.71 fifth gear
>>>>>> and definitely plan to use it!  Consider buying a tall
>>>>>> fifth gear yourself if you do much touring (highways).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Btw, the guy in the thread, I think, will contact you
>>>>>> about the tranny.  He is just responding to me because
>>>>>> I mentioned interest  first (in lieu of you). I've
>>>>>> told him you're interested.  Just IM him, I guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Phil
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