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- From: lwjanzen at hydro.mb.ca (Janzen, Lawrence)
- Date: Mon Jan 22 15:01:14 2007
- References: <E1H93KJ-0008Az-OL@neubayern.net>
Congrats Eric,
I am in the same situation. I bought a 87 Scirocco 16V just recently. It has been parked for the last ten years. It only has 73K Km (45K miles) on it. It is not quite the same condition as yours. I would agree with the one guy that a Robert Bentley manual is highly recommended. I have 84 Jetta Gli and without the Robert Bentley, it would have been dead long ago. (20+ years of experience with a VW)
All the best,
Larry
'87 Scirocco 16v
'84 Jetta GLi
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Mk1 TVs: $295 (nocones77-vw@yahoo.com)
2. Re: G60 Valve Cover (nocones77-vw@yahoo.com)
3. Re: G60 Valve Cover ( Jeff Toomasson )
4. Re: What size spacers? (Dan Bubb)
5. Re: G60 Valve Cover (Eric S)
6. Compressor by pass (julie@menloparkrandd.com)
7. RE: G60 Valve Cover now rotorcharger (Mtl-Marc)
8. New 1987 Scirocco 16v owner (Eric Singer)
9. Compressor bypass (julie@menloparkrandd.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:06:26 -0800 (PST)
From: nocones77-vw@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Mk1 TVs: $295
To: Michael Bueti <michaelbuetiwon@gmail.com>, Nate Mellom
<doubt@inwave.com>
Cc: Scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <20070122150626.61608.qmail@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Anyone happen to remember if these require a special grille? Or will my '77 grille work?
Neal
'77 Scirocco
----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Bueti <michaelbuetiwon@gmail.com>
To: Nate Mellom <doubt@inwave.com>
Cc: Scirocco list <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 10:16:49 PM
Subject: Re: Mk1 TVs: $295
Nathan is great to deal with @ Autotech
I bought a set from them last Oct. New TV sets for Ms. Butch is neato
On 1/18/07, Nate Mellom <doubt@inwave.com> wrote:
> Not mine, seems like a pretty good deal!
> http://tinyurl.com/2esrva
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 07:18:31 -0800 (PST)
From: nocones77-vw@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: G60 Valve Cover
To: area53@validpath.com, peter@thescirocco.com
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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Sorry for the late reply, but I didn't see any others so here's my .02.
Just browse the K&N catalog for one with the right diameter to fit the rubber grommet.
However, from my personal experience, there are two issues to consider:
- I found one with the right diameter, but it was chromed and with forged pistons causing a bit of blow-by it wasn't hard to create enough crank case pressure to pop it out. Had to put a hose clamp on there and really crank it down to work at all. I'd advise staying away from chrome, or come up with some way to knurl/scratch the base so it won't slide out of the rubber grommet so easily.
- You'll probably end up with some fumes in your cabin either way, but I found it much better to use the factory G60 breather/separater with the rubber hose that would normally connect it to the boost recirc pipe, and put the filter in the end of that. Maybe doesn't look as classy, but resulted in much less fumes and oil. (again, my forged pistons and resulting necessary blow-by may be partly to blame)
You can see my setup here.
http://www.parts4vws.com/images/members/ntovsen/SciroccoEngineBay1.jpg
If my car gets turned back into a street car, the first thing I'm going to do is plumb the breather back into the intake as it should be, or at least run a hose over to a proper breather/separator tank to see if that helps. I've seen G60 valve cover setups where they used an AN fitting to a hose that went to a breather tank. Still not technically emissions compliant, but much less fumes, no saturated/dripping filters, etc.
Neal
----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>
To: peter@thescirocco.com
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:57:12 PM
Subject: RE: G60 Valve Cover
Speaking of the G60 valve cover, anyone know where to get those trick little round chrome filters for the breather hole?
Thx, JT
> The 3A timing belt cover fits the G60 valvecover perfectly.
> It comes on and off super easy, 2 snaps and you're done.
>
> Peter
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Rick Kellner [mailto:rfkellner@snet.net] Envoy? : 16 janvier
>> 2007
>> 07:15 ? : 'Scirocco list'
>> Objet : RE: G60 Valve Cover
>>
>> Marc, I put a G60 VC on my 84. I was also installing a fox intake so
>> I wanted to put a larger throttle body on the car too. I used a 16V
>> throttle body because the accelerator cable was mounted to the TB and
>> not to the valve cover.
>> Next, I modified a stock timing belt cover by
>> cutting off the top portion of the belt cover. Basically the top
>> semi-circle portion was removed. I had all the pieces powder coated
>> a 'cast aluminum' color. If you want some pictures just let me know
>> and I can send them along.
>> Rick.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca [mailto:marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca] Sent:
>> Monday, January 15, 2007 10:25 PM
>> To: Scirocco list
>> Subject: G60 Valve Cover
>>
>> Thinking of buying a Corrado G60 Valve Cover.
>>
>> I will also need the timing belt cover.
>>
>> How is the fit of the new style top TB cover with the old style
>> bottom TB cover?
>>
>> Any suggestion?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:04:37 -0600 (CST)
From: " Jeff Toomasson " <area53@validpath.com>
Subject: Re: G60 Valve Cover
To: nocones77-vw@yahoo.com
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <16162.192.80.68.68.1169481877.squirrel@www.validpath.com>
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Thanks for the info, Neal!
Seeing as this will be my first foray into forced induction, I'm leaning toward starting w/ the stock 3A pistons and stacking gaskets (w/ a x-flo head). Not necessarily from a cost standpoint, but in case I mess something up. Actually, I'm still completely on the fence about the pistons! :) But it sounds like the stock filter is the way to go. Any idea how much they are new? I made have tossed mine during our recent move...
Thx again,
JT
> Sorry for the late reply, but I didn't see any others so here's my .02.
>
> Just browse the K&N catalog for one with the right diameter to fit the
> rubber grommet.
>
> However, from my personal experience, there are two issues to consider:
>
> - I found one with the right diameter, but it was chromed and with
> forged pistons causing a bit of blow-by it wasn't hard to create
> enough crank case pressure to pop it out. Had to put a hose clamp on
> there and really crank it down to work at all. I'd advise staying away
> from chrome, or come up with some way to knurl/scratch the base so it
> won't slide out of the rubber grommet so easily.
>
> - You'll probably end up with some fumes in your cabin either way, but
> I found it much better to use the factory G60 breather/separater with
> the rubber hose that would normally connect it to the boost recirc
> pipe, and put the filter in the end of that. Maybe doesn't look as
> classy, but resulted in much less fumes and oil. (again, my forged
> pistons and resulting necessary blow-by may be partly to blame)
>
> You can see my setup here.
> http://www.parts4vws.com/images/members/ntovsen/SciroccoEngineBay1.jpg
>
> If my car gets turned back into a street car, the first thing I'm
> going to do is plumb the breather back into the intake as it should
> be, or at least run a hose over to a proper breather/separator tank to see if that helps.
> I've seen G60 valve cover setups where they used an AN fitting to a
> hose that went to a breather tank. Still not technically emissions
> compliant, but much less fumes, no saturated/dripping filters, etc.
>
> Neal
>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:55:23 -0500
From: "Dan Bubb" <jdbubb@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: What size spacers?
To: "Greg Pallett" <greg.rocco@gmail.com>, "Scirocco list"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <000901c73e3d$ba7d9cf0$2f01a8c0@HP52381024421>
try this link.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3037849
With the 12mm spacers on the rear of my car the tires hit the fender lip.
I'll need to roll the fenders at some point or go with narrower spacers.
From: "Greg Pallett" <greg.rocco@gmail.com>
To: "Scirocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: What size spacers?
>I hate to cross post with the vortex, but I want opinions! And plus,
>I put a pic in there for reference.
> http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=13
> I realize the differences I'm looking at (2mm) arent that great, but
>sometimes the subtle distinctions make a big difference.
> GP
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 09:08:10 -0700 (MST)
From: "Eric S" <scirocco@vintagewatercooleds.com>
Subject: Re: G60 Valve Cover
To: nocones77-vw@yahoo.com
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID:
<55655.192.168.1.1.1169482090.squirrel@www.vintagewatercooleds.com>
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/lurk mode off
Pops in to drool over Neal's engine
/lurk mode on
--
Eric
www.vintagewatercooleds.com
1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
1990 Fox Wagon 1.6 Heron Head 8v
1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
nocones77-vw@yahoo.com said:
> Sorry for the late reply, but I didn't see any others so here's my .02.
>
> Just browse the K&N catalog for one with the right diameter to fit the
> rubber grommet.
>
> However, from my personal experience, there are two issues to consider:
>
> - I found one with the right diameter, but it was chromed and with
> forged pistons causing a bit of blow-by it wasn't hard to create
> enough crank case pressure to pop it out. Had to put a hose clamp on
> there and really crank it down to work at all. I'd advise staying away
> from chrome, or come up with some way to knurl/scratch the base so it
> won't slide out of the rubber grommet so easily.
>
> - You'll probably end up with some fumes in your cabin either way, but
> I found it much better to use the factory G60 breather/separater with
> the rubber hose that would normally connect it to the boost recirc
> pipe, and put the filter in the end of that. Maybe doesn't look as
> classy, but resulted in much less fumes and oil. (again, my forged
> pistons and resulting necessary blow-by may be partly to blame)
>
> You can see my setup here.
> http://www.parts4vws.com/images/members/ntovsen/SciroccoEngineBay1.jpg
>
> If my car gets turned back into a street car, the first thing I'm
> going to do is plumb the breather back into the intake as it should
> be, or at least run a hose over to a proper breather/separator tank to see if that helps.
> I've seen G60 valve cover setups where they used an AN fitting to a
> hose that went to a breather tank. Still not technically emissions
> compliant, but much less fumes, no saturated/dripping filters, etc.
>
> Neal
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>
> To: peter@thescirocco.com
> Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:57:12 PM
> Subject: RE: G60 Valve Cover
>
> Speaking of the G60 valve cover, anyone know where to get those trick
> little round chrome filters for the breather hole?
> Thx, JT
>
>> The 3A timing belt cover fits the G60 valvecover perfectly.
>> It comes on and off super easy, 2 snaps and you're done.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : Rick Kellner [mailto:rfkellner@snet.net] Envoy? : 16 janvier
>>> 2007
>>> 07:15 ? : 'Scirocco list'
>>> Objet : RE: G60 Valve Cover
>>>
>>> Marc, I put a G60 VC on my 84. I was also installing a fox intake
>>> so I wanted to put a larger throttle body on the car too. I used a
>>> 16V throttle body because the accelerator cable was mounted to the
>>> TB and not to the valve cover.
>>> Next, I modified a stock timing belt cover by
>>> cutting off the top portion of the belt cover. Basically the top
>>> semi-circle portion was removed. I had all the pieces powder coated
>>> a 'cast aluminum' color. If you want some pictures just let me know
>>> and I can send them along.
>>> Rick.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca [mailto:marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca]
>>> Sent:
>>> Monday, January 15, 2007 10:25 PM
>>> To: Scirocco list
>>> Subject: G60 Valve Cover
>>>
>>> Thinking of buying a Corrado G60 Valve Cover.
>>>
>>> I will also need the timing belt cover.
>>>
>>> How is the fit of the new style top TB cover with the old style
>>> bottom TB cover?
>>>
>>> Any suggestion?
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 16:04:22 +0000
From: julie@menloparkrandd.com
Subject: Compressor by pass
To: "Org, Scirocco" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <W813181665649461169481862@webmail13>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Car: 1985 MKII (duh) with PS. The compressor for the AC is beginning to fail, the screach at low rpm is horrible. I disconnected it electrically by the connector and its just as bad.
The belt I need to change would be the crank/compressor, then compressor/alt.
Is it possible to pull the compressor and use a longer belt like Crank/PS/ALT? and tighten with the ALT adj?
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:09:23 -0500
From: "Mtl-Marc" <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca>
Subject: RE: G60 Valve Cover now rotorcharger
To: <nocones77-vw@yahoo.com>, <area53@validpath.com>,
<peter@thescirocco.com>
Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Message-ID: <000001c73e3f$aee1e4d0$c701a8c0@lapinportable>
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Nice engine bay!
How about the rotorcharger? How much, how easy? Etc...
I came across the web site <<http://rotorcharged.com/>> a while ago, and been thinking about this...
Any opinion would be appreciated.
Cheers.
Marc
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : nocones77-vw@yahoo.com [mailto:nocones77-vw@yahoo.com] Envoy? :
> 22 janvier 2007 10:19 ? : area53@validpath.com; peter@thescirocco.com
> Cc : scirocco-l@scirocco.org Objet : Re: G60 Valve Cover
>
> Sorry for the late reply, but I didn't see any others so here's my
> .02.
>
> Just browse the K&N catalog for one with the right diameter to fit the
> rubber grommet.
>
> However, from my personal experience, there are two issues to
> consider:
>
> - I found one with the right diameter, but it was chromed and with
> forged pistons causing a bit of blow-by it wasn't hard to create
> enough crank case pressure to pop it out. Had to put a hose clamp on
> there and really crank it down to work at all. I'd advise staying away
> from chrome, or come up with some way to knurl/scratch the base so it
> won't slide out of the rubber grommet so easily.
>
> - You'll probably end up with some fumes in your cabin either way, but
> I found it much better to use the factory G60 breather/separater with
> the rubber hose that would normally connect it to the boost recirc
> pipe, and put the filter in the end of that. Maybe doesn't look as
> classy, but resulted in much less fumes and oil. (again, my forged
> pistons and resulting necessary blow-by may be partly to blame)
>
> You can see my setup here.
> http://www.parts4vws.com/images/members/ntovsen/SciroccoEngineBay1.jpg
>
> If my car gets turned back into a street car, the first thing I'm
> going to do is plumb the breather back into the intake as it should
> be, or at least run a hose over to a proper breather/separator tank to
> see if that helps. I've seen G60 valve cover setups where they used an
> AN fitting to a hose that went to a breather tank. Still not
> technically emissions compliant, but much less fumes, no
> saturated/dripping filters, etc.
>
> Neal
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>
> To: peter@thescirocco.com
> Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 4:57:12 PM
> Subject: RE: G60 Valve Cover
>
> Speaking of the G60 valve cover, anyone know where to get those trick
> little round chrome filters for the breather hole?
> Thx, JT
>
> > The 3A timing belt cover fits the G60 valvecover perfectly.
> > It comes on and off super easy, 2 snaps and you're done.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : Rick Kellner [mailto:rfkellner@snet.net] Envoy? : 16 janvier
> >> 2007
> >> 07:15 ? : 'Scirocco list'
> >> Objet : RE: G60 Valve Cover
> >>
> >> Marc, I put a G60 VC on my 84. I was also installing a
> fox intake so
> >> I wanted to put a larger throttle body on the car too. I
> used a 16V
> >> throttle body because the accelerator cable was mounted to
> the TB and
> >> not to the valve cover.
> >> Next, I modified a stock timing belt cover by
> >> cutting off the top portion of the belt cover. Basically the top
> >> semi-circle portion was removed. I had all the pieces
> powder coated
> >> a 'cast aluminum' color. If you want some pictures just
> let me know
> >> and I can send them along.
> >> Rick.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca
> [mailto:marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca] Sent:
> >> Monday, January 15, 2007 10:25 PM
> >> To: Scirocco list
> >> Subject: G60 Valve Cover
> >>
> >> Thinking of buying a Corrado G60 Valve Cover.
> >>
> >> I will also need the timing belt cover.
> >>
> >> How is the fit of the new style top TB cover with the old style
> >> bottom TB cover?
> >>
> >> Any suggestion?
> >>
> >> Cheers.
> >>
> >> Marc
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 08:21:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Singer <myturbo6@yahoo.com>
Subject: New 1987 Scirocco 16v owner
To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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Hi,
I've just purchased a stock 1987 Scirocco 16v about a week ago. The car runs pretty good and I'd like to keep it that way. I was not able to get a maintenance history of the car, but looks well maintained and have found very few issues with it.
I've read that 16v engines require periodic timing belt changes, so without guessing about the age and mileage of the timing belt, I'll go ahead and replace it. Is there a recommended brand of timing belt?
Also, are there any other items I should go ahead and service?
Here's some pictures of it on cardomain
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2546399
Thank You,
Eric Singer
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:13:10 +0000
From: julie@menloparkrandd.com
Subject: Compressor bypass
To: "Org, Scirocco" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Message-ID: <W858992542190871169485990@webmail25>
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The compressor is squeeling horribly. Can I move the ALT to the lower position and drop the compressor?
Second try to post this Q
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