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[behrleiii at yahoo.com (Behrle Hubbuch)]

I have a garage full of Mk1 parts I need to get rid of including a couple of 1.8 engines and a GTI transmission.  Plus some glass, turn signal assys, fuel stuff etc.  I'm about 45 minutes north of Daun's place on Rt 68, so anyone who would like to rifle through all this stuff and make me a reasonable offer on any or all of it is welcome.  I'm thinking the weekend of Cinci. would be a great time to do this.  
  Thanks,
  Behrle
   
  81S "Dieter" 

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1. Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know. (Dan Bubb)
2. Re: Injector O-ring failure?!? (Daun Yeagley)
3. Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know. (Phil Boeye)
4. Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know. (Jim Ruffi)
5. Re: Injector O-ring failure?!? (Jim Ruffi)
6. Re: Parts Request!! (jon shisler)
7. Re: Chopped Top Roccs? (Jason)
8. Re: mk1 fenders on ebay (David Utley)
9. Re: symptoms of a plugged-up radiator? (Daun Yeagley)
10. Re: Injector O-ring failure?!? (Jim Jarrett)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:24:48 -0400
From: "Dan Bubb" 
Subject: Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know.
To: "Scourge" , "Scirocco List"

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I've noticed the same thing that Ron has. If the fuel is a little bit too rich on the overrun it'll pop.
But, I've also noticed over the years that having a small exhaust leak near the engine will also produce the popping.
Since there isn't much you can do with CIS to richen it up on the overrun, maybe you should look into very small drill bits? ;^)
Dan

From: "Ron Pieper" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know.


>I can only answer by telling you my experiences with this via Megasquirt, where I learned from
> someone on their forums that you can eliminate the backfiring you are desiring by leaning out the
> mixture at VERY low vacuum levels - seen only with the situation of zero or negative load with the
> engine typically decelerating. With MS, that's really easy to do. I leaned out that range, and
> presto, no more pop-pop-pop.
> 
> This was only evident with my free-flowing exhaust (straight through) because a normal exhaust
> muffles it greatly.
> 
> Sooo...we can extract from that that your engine is getting more fuel in those conditions than it
> needs, and some 'explosion' is likely happening in the exhaust system. With CIS, I reckon you're
> stuck with it.
> 
> I guess the little holes you write of could cause or amplify this, but it happens anyway under the
> right conditions.
> 
> Dan Bubb, please shed your light here.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Ron
> 
> --- Scourge wrote:
> 
>> So I've been wondering. 
>> 
>> What makes a car backfire? Not regular loud single shot backfires, but the awsome little pop pop
>> pop some cars have on heavy downshifting.
>> My golf used to do it like mad, I loved it. Made it sound so raw and hardcore, lol. Non of my
>> rocco's have ever done it.
>> 
>> One guy I know once told me it was cause by small holes farther up the exhaust(I guess he meant
>> near the DP) that while leaking a bit would also create a sort of scavenging effect and pull
>> some air back into the exhaust system. That air had oxygen in it and could then act as an
>> accelerant with the bit of unburnt fuel and it would ignite in the exhaust, thus creating the
>> "pop pop pop" when downshifting. I have no idea how accurate this is.
>> 
>> Any thoughts/input??
>> 
>> -George -missing crazy things my golf could do(like shoot flames out the tailpipe!)
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 05:37:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daun Yeagley 
Subject: Re: Injector O-ring failure?!?
To: Jim Jarrett , Scirocco List

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--- Jim Jarrett wrote:

> All of the top ones split trying to install them!!!! I
> didn't have 
> this problem when I did my convertible -- can these
> things 
> get...old? Brittle?
> 
> Anyone else ever had this happen to them with new
> o-rings???

Never had it happen with new ones. The old ones I
literally had to chisle out of the car though.


Daun Yeagley - Wilmington Ohio
'81 Scirocco S '86 Scirocco 8v
'88 Scirocco 16v '88 Scirocco Slegato 
'96 Passat GLX Wagon '56 Cessna 172
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:40:10 -0400
From: "Phil Boeye" 
Subject: Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know.
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OK, let me ask - are we talking a somewhat pronounced 'pop pop pop'
here or the sweet burbling of the exhaust as you downshift or just
take it out of gear and rpms drop?


On 5/24/06, Dan Bubb wrote:
> I've noticed the same thing that Ron has. If the fuel is a little bit too rich on the overrun it'll pop.
> But, I've also noticed over the years that having a small exhaust leak near the engine will also produce the popping.
> Since there isn't much you can do with CIS to richen it up on the overrun, maybe you should look into very small drill bits? ;^)
> Dan

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:49:13 -0400
From: "Jim Ruffi" 
Subject: Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know.
To: "Dan Bubb" , "Scourge" ,
"Scirocco List" 
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I asked the list about this several months ago but it didn't go anywhere.
My 8V has a somewhat open muffler and does pop on decel. It actually
bothers me because it appears to be a sign that I'm not running well.

I noticed a couple of things: (1) it doesn't pop during the first 20 secs or
so after the motor has been started and (2) the popping stops if you hold
the WOT throttle switch in the engaged position. I wrote down a bunch of
things to check for basic diagnosis per the Bentley, but I haven't gotten
around to it.

I noodled with the ignition timing, mixture and idle quite a bit and was
able to minimize it, but it did cost me some driveability.

My mileage is 28-29, all highway, with a .81 5th, 175/70-13 tires, carrying
about 350 pounds of cargo (including me). I thought it should be a little
better, which is why I'm interested in "fixing" the "problem", but I could
be wrong. The motor does have ~190k on it.

Jim

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Bubb" 
To: "Scourge" ; "Scirocco List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: Tech'ish question. Inquiring minds want to know.


I've noticed the same thing that Ron has. If the fuel is a little bit too
rich on the overrun it'll pop.
But, I've also noticed over the years that having a small exhaust leak near
the engine will also produce the popping.
Since there isn't much you can do with CIS to richen it up on the overrun,
maybe you should look into very small drill bits? ;^)
Dan




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:52:11 -0400
From: "Jim Ruffi" 
Subject: Re: Injector O-ring failure?!?
To: "Daun Yeagley" , "Jim Jarrett"
, "Scirocco List" 
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Yeah. I always use diagonal cutters to "snap" the old ones. Always use
some gas on the new rings when you install...never install dry. I have also
used silicone spray. I recently installed a some that I have had siting in
my hardware cabinet for 15 years and, although a little hard, they worked
fine.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daun Yeagley" 
To: "Jim Jarrett" ; "Scirocco List"

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Injector O-ring failure?!?
> > All of the top ones split trying to install them!!!! I
> > didn't have
> > this problem when I did my convertible -- can these
> > things
> > get...old? Brittle?
> >
> > Anyone else ever had this happen to them with new
> > o-rings???
>
> Never had it happen with new ones. The old ones I
> literally had to chisle out of the car though.
>
>
> Daun Yeagley - Wilmington Ohio
> '81 Scirocco S '86 Scirocco 8v
> '88 Scirocco 16v '88 Scirocco Slegato
> '96 Passat GLX Wagon '56 Cessna 172
> The first rule of intelligent tinkering is to save all the parts -
Ehrlich's Law.




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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:51:45 -0400
From: "jon shisler" 
Subject: Re: Parts Request!!
To: Mtl-Marc 
Cc: Scirocco List 
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everytime i see a a scirocco in the yard i always grab those clips very
carefully with a small flat head screwdriver. :)

On 5/24/06, Mtl-Marc wrote:
>
> This guy has lots of these clips NOS.
> <>
>
> Cheers.
>
> Marc
> '83 Scirocco
> '97 A4 Q
> '71 H-D FLH
>
> >
> > I could use some of those as well!
> >
> > Standing second in line...
> >
> > On 5/23/06, Scourge wrote:
> > >
> > > Alright, most likely unobtanium, BUT. Anybody have a source for(or
> > > stockpile of) the little white clips that hold the doorsill in place??
> I
> > > have officially broken ALL of them on my car, lol.
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > -George
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:53:09 -0400
From: Jason 
Subject: Re: Chopped Top Roccs?
To: haygood@myway.com
Cc: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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one solution to cutting the windsheild is to increase the rake.
by doing this you keep th esame windsheild....but it i sat a different ang;e


On 5/24/06, Brian Haygood wrote:
>
>
> Grant,
>
> Where do you live? I'm sure it must be far from Texas because no one who
> wants to undertake the stupid projects I would love live anywhere near
> Texas. I recall a chopped SII in a picture from germany as well. It looked
> awesome.
>
>
>
> Lowering the windshield below the hood works more easily on modern cars
> who have no fixed panel visible between the hood and the windshield (i.e.
> 95% of cars less than 10 years old). I know a guy who used to cut
> windshields at his glass shop and he told me all about it. He said it isn't
> hard, and it didn't sound like it from his description, but he says whether
> you are novice or pro you will break a certain percentage of them that you
> try. Still, it would be way easier than lowering that header panel at the
> windshield's base. Unless maybe you could slope the windshield down and
> move the A-pillars forward to get rid of that panel all together. Still
> much harder than cutting the glass, I think.
>
>
>
> Tailgate idea sounds fun, too. I've got some good rear MK1 sheetmetal
> that is going in the dumpster about the time I get back from Cincy, BTW. If
> anyone wants to pay me for my time to cut it out I'll bring it to Cincy. It
> would be pretty easy to make a "pass-through" area between the lights and
> below the hatch's latch, wouldn't it?
>
>
>
> Oh, and Julie, don't worry about him tearing up a MK1. You can just undo
> his work and return it to its original condition when he is done with the
> car. :)
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> --- On Tue 05/23, GGehrke < ggehrke@gmail.com > wrote:
>
> From: GGehrke [mailto: ggehrke@gmail.com]
>
> To: julie@menloparkrandd.com
>
> Cc: Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>
> Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 10:54:32 -0400
>
> Subject: Re: Chopped Top Roccs?
>
>
>
> Hehe. I love pissing people off like this.

I'll add gullwing
> doors, too. WhaddayathunkaboutTHAT?!


But honestly - I wouldn't
> do something like this to an original, good
condition Mk1. But seeing as
> I currently have two shitbuckets at my
disposal.... why not?

And
> if I were to chop it, it'd be subtle. Not like a 6" window like
some of
> the hot rod guys or anything.

-Grant-



On 5/23/06,
> julie@menloparkrandd.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Not to a MKI you dont. We'll come and take it away and send you to your
>
> room.
>
> Now a MKII on the other hand.....
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: GGehrke [mailto:ggehrke@gmail.com]
>
> >Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 10:37 AM
> >To: 'Scirocco list'
>
> >Subject: Chopped Top Roccs?
> >
> >Anyone chopped the top on a
> scirocco?
> >
> >I seem to remember a picture of one - I think it was
> on one of those
> >pages full
> of goofy looking old school sciroccos from Germany.
> >
> >It's one
> of the hair-brained ideas I'm tossing around for when I
> >finally have
> my own garage to keep the car in. I was reading about it
> >a few weeks
> back and saw that one of the ways to do it is to recess
> >the windscreen
> down below the hood line - which is how modern cars are
> >designed so
> the wipers are hidden. That would eliminate the need for
> >cutting the
> windscreen glass and figuring out how to deal with gaskets
> >or bonding.
> Side windows would still be a challenge, but maybe they
> >could be
> converted to more modern bonded windows. Big benefit there
> >would also
> be aerodynamics. Since I've become a more serious cyclist
> >I'm
> fascinated with aerodynamic efficiency. Chopping the top and
> >recessing
> the wipers would give the car a smaller front profile, more
> >sloped
> front window, and less disturbance over the wipers. Pair that
> >with an
> underpanel and I bet
> you could raise the car's top speed 25
> >mph and increase fuel
> efficiency.
> >
> >Plus, I think it could look really good. Maybe even
> slope the top to
> >match the angle of the bottom edge of the rear
> quarter windows (Mk1).
> >It could look really aggressive, but I'm not
> sure. I'd love to hear
> >if anyone's done it before and see
> pictures.
> >
> >Oh, and while I'm talking pipe dreams - I'm going to
> convert the rear
> >panel to a tailgate, like a pickup truck. The tail
> lights will be two
> >pieces and when the hatch is up, you'll be able to
> swing that panel
> >down and it will be flush with the rear floor. Coat
> the whole area
> >with truck bed liner and it will be perfect for hauling
> crap around!
> >
> >-Grant-
> >
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:57:07 -0500
From: David Utley 
Subject: Re: mk1 fenders on ebay
To: "John C. Worden" 
Cc: Scirocco List 
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Not necessarily. Fenders are pretty big, and the shape they are in 
could be prohibitively expensive. I had a seat shipped to me from PA, a 
Recaro. It cost precisely 130.00, as it was together in one large box. 
100.00 for something longer than that seat, times 2, may not be too bad...

My .02,
David

John C. Worden wrote:
> Way too expensive for used ones, but if somebody really needs them 
> they'll probably sell. $100 for shipping is a rip off though. I hate 
> people that try to make a shitload of money on shipping on ebay.
>
> John
>
> At 11:13 PM 5/23/06, Brian McGarvey wrote:
>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VW-MK1-Scirocco-Front-Fenders-79-81-Rust-Free-Straight_W0QQitemZ8068314692QQcategoryZ33644QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 
>>
>>
>> NOT MINE.
>> but they are probably too expensive ...
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 05:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daun Yeagley 
Subject: Re: symptoms of a plugged-up radiator?
To: "T. Reed" , scirocco-l@scirocco.org
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--- "T. Reed" wrote:

> As far as I can tell, all that's left is the radiator
> itself.. but I don't 
> know whether or not it's worth replacing just on a hunch.

Has it ever been replaced? I'm guessing it hasn't. They
do build up crud over time. Looking at the list of stuff
you've replaced and the symptoms you describe, I think it's
a pretty safe bet.


Daun Yeagley - Wilmington Ohio
'81 Scirocco S '86 Scirocco 8v
'88 Scirocco 16v '88 Scirocco Slegato 
'96 Passat GLX Wagon '56 Cessna 172
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim Jarrett 
Subject: Re: Injector O-ring failure?!?
To: Jim Ruffi 
Cc: Scirocco List 
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Quoting Jim Ruffi :

> Yeah. I always use diagonal cutters to "snap" the old ones. Always
> use
> some gas on the new rings when you install...never install dry. I have

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