Crossmember Bar design

[scourge at cogeco.ca (Scourge)]

I prefer the spelling "whore-hey" otherwise people pronounce it wrong, lol.

-Whore-hey

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric S" <scirocco@vintagewatercooleds.com>
To: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
Cc: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>; "Larry Fry"
<rocco16@sbcglobal.net>; "Nate Lowe" <nlowe79@gmail.com>; "Allyn"
<amalventano1@tds.net>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Crossmember Bar design


>
> Yes Jorge, they have.
>
> I've sold around 20% of the bars to people with rabbits, 8v roccos and Mk1
> Jettas that expressed they had a cracked crossmember.  Its a dramatically
> lower number compared to the 16v rocco folks.
>
> Next time you have an 8v and a 16v rocco side by side...notice how much
> larger the air intake hole is in the x-member on the 16v...then couple
> that with the fact that the x-member tends to crack at that hole first,
> and the cars had 50 hp more than the chassis was designed for...
>
> I've always belived that the 16v roccos were more prone to cracking for
> the above two reasons.  (and many have done it on stock engines...while
> the no 16v A1 crowd seems to bring it out with serious abuse or HP)
>
> --
> Eric
> www.vintagewatercooleds.com
>
> 1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
> 1981 Rabbit Truck LX Diesel -FOR SALE-
> 1990 Corrado TDI -FOR SALE-
> 1990 Fox Wagon
> 1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
> 1994 Jetta GL
>
> Scourge said:
> > I'm curious. Has anyone ever cracked an 8V crossmember??(anyone still
> > using
> > an 8V motor, or something of equivalent weight but with more power)    I
> > don't think I know of anyone cracking one that didn't have a 16V swapped
> > in.
> >
> > The GLI I'm parting out right now has had a front poly mount and all
> > other's
> > OEM for the past 10 years at least and has no sign of crackage.(It's got
a
> > JH with a header and maybe a cam) This car was driven HARD too, it had
at
> > least 10 different people learn standard in it(including myself), and
went
> > through 3 first time drivers(as is, "hey check it out I can spin the
> > wheels"
> > and lots of other stupid shit, over, and over, and over. lol).
> >
> > -George
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Utley" <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> > To: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>; "Nate Lowe"
<nlowe79@gmail.com>;
> > "Allyn" <amalventano1@tds.net>
> > Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:57 AM
> > Subject: RE: Crossmember Bar design
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Larry Fry [mailto:rocco16@sbcglobal.net]
> >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 9:37 AM
> >> To: David Utley; Nate Lowe; Allyn
> >> Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >> Subject: Re: Crossmember Bar design
> >>
> >>
> >> * Not to nitpick too much Larry, but the front end on the Scirocco is
> >> only
> >> > slightly similar to the Rabbit.  What's more is I have never seen nor
> >> > heard
> >> > of any Rabbit having this trouble.  Methinks this problem came from
> >> > Karmann,
> >> > and not Pennsyvania...
> >> > David
> >>
> >>
> >> That's my point, David.
> >> The design was sufficient for the Rabbit, but when called upon to do
> >> duty
> >> with a later, heavier 16V engine it was lacking and VW did not
re-design
> > it.
> >> Sounds like a plausible theory, anyway, eh?
> >>
> >> Larry
> >> sandiego16v
> >>
> >> Sure, it would indeed be plausible, but from where I am sitting I am
not
> >> sure the engine mount is really at fault.  There is force put upon it
by
> > the
> >> engine, sure...  I'll hush...
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
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