Crossmember Bars

[amalventano1 at tds.net (Allyn)]

ok, larry, here:

"yes. it works."

it does so just like how an upper strut tie bar works to stiffen the front 
body, and how a full cage stiffens the frame overall. if you need FEA or 
something of the like then im sure big mac or someone can run some quick 
numbers perhaps...

now go buy one before your cross member cracks :)

Al

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Fry" <rocco16@sbcglobal.net>
To: "Eric S" <scirocco@vintagewatercooleds.com>
Cc: "Allyn" <amalventano1@tds.net>; "Mike Smith" <smithma7@gmail.com>; "Eric 
S" <scirocco@vintagewatercooleds.com>; "Scirocco email List" 
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: Crossmember Bars


>I ask if anyone has proof that this device does what some claim it does.
> In response,  I'm asked why I just can't "believe".
> So I stated why I can't.
> Simple as that.
>
> Then, I'm challenged to build a better one.
> I can't, because I don't believe any add-on device will be of 
> any...any....benefit.
> It will take making the original crossmember out of thicker material or a 
> redesign of the front motor mount.
> That's the only thing that will stop the cracking.
> And we know this is impossible....the error was made nearly twenty years 
> ago and we can't go back.
>
> We've had this discussion before.
> I explained in detail, back then, why I doubt the usefulness of this 
> device.
> I'm not going into it again.
>
> Eric is satisfying a demand in an honest way.
> Good for him.
> Don't get so damn defensive, Eric, it's not your honor I am doubting.
> It's the usefulness of the device that so many want so desperately to 
> believe in.
>
> Larry
> sandiego16v
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>
>
>
>
>>
>> Larry is entitled to his doubts.
>>
>> No one here has the money to *properly* test these bars, I am sure of 
>> that!
>>
>> Most of us just have to rely on others experiences as to if it does what
>> its designed to do.  I merely responded to a demand...a *loud* demand at
>> that.
>>
>> I produce something that quite a few people have asked for for years, and
>> I get your crappy skepicism, thanks buddy!  Do you think I am out to
>> profit on this?  If so, you are greatly mistaken, and probably don't
>> understand the depth of my dedication to this group.
>>
>> Anyone that has experienced catastrophic crossmember failure understands
>> why this bar was made, and why it has to help.
>>
>> I by no means think this is a CUREALL.    If it gets these cars to last
>> another 10 years without cracking, or holds existing cracks from
>> continuing...then my goal has been met.
>>
>> I more than welcome you to design something better.  The key is, the
>> average joe doesn't have a welder...so it has to be bolt on by the 
>> average
>> monkey mechanic.  Oh, and make sure you actually can get it made in 
>> decent
>> quantities too.  I'd more than welcome someone taking this project
>> over...step up to the plate Larry!
>>
>> --
>> Eric
>> www.vintagewatercooleds.com
>>
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>> 1990 Fox Wagon
>> 1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
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>>
>> Larry Fry said:
>>>
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>>>
>>>> why not just go on the notion that adding reinforcement to a flimsy
>>>> frame
>>>> member made of boxed steel simply must help to some degree?
>>>
>>> Because one mustn't assume the truth.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>> sandiego16v
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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