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16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..



Brian - Did Patrick hi-jack your computer??  It's only so often that someone
conjures up spelling mistakes that butcher up a sentence to the point it's
complete void of understandability...  :p

(ducking) JT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian McGarvey" <brianm@earendel.org>
To: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
Cc: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>; "'scirocco list'"
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..


> how to find TDC is some ham fist put your flywheel on wrong w/ an IMPACT
> gun, and a drill.
>
>
> find a long implent either a wooden dowel or the long phillips that comes
> in the craftsman screwdriver kit.
> put it in the #1 clyn hole.. it should be free and wiggle a fair bit. the
> scredriver  is nice cause it cant fall in, but it hazardous cause its
> metal.
>
> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
> IMPORTANT: only HAND crank the motor.
> ONLY HAND CRANK THE MOTOR!!! in case anybody out there missed this.
>
> and then put your 19mm on the crank (youve already got the spark plugs
> out). and carefully turn the motor over untill you see the object come up.
> you will see that it comes up, stops, and goes back down.
> when it is near the top look down at the lower t-belt cover and the
> harmoic balancer pulley there is a tick mark. line that and that arrow up
> on the plastic cover (not as precise as the TDC mark on theflywheel). Now
> that object in the sparkplug hole  can be remove and put back in your tool
> box.
>
> now go look again at the flywheel. you'll prolly see the dot and hack in
> it now, its really really hard to screw up putting the flywheel on. The
> bolt holes are not symmetric. use a flashlight.
>
> Now check the dist. the rotor should basically point right at the tick
> mark on the sealing rim of the dizzy.
> Brian
>
>
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, David Utley wrote:
>
> > Alright, I see what you are saying with regards to the dist. issue, and
I will
> > take the flywheel issue into account.  If you are right about the
flywheel,
> > then I am at a loss as to how to make sure I am at TDC.  BTW, the
harmonic
> > balancer is off slightly as well, is that keyed, or can it be improperly
> > installed too?  :-(
> >
> > I did take your suggestion, and began to disassemble the top end so that
I
> > could time the cams properly.  Don is off on errands, and I am left here
> > scratching my head.  I have a Golf 16V Bentley to advise me, but if the
info.
> > is there, I cannot find it...  To the point---How do I adjust the timing
of the
> > cams?  I am afraid to begin to loosen the caps w/o specific instruction,
I
> > remember reading somewhere someone lost a Shrick cam because he did not
tighten
> > the caps down in the correct order.  That may be apples to my oranges,
but I
> > would rather be cautious than fool-hardy...  The marks on the cams were
indeed
> > off, and not facing each other...
> >
> > I apologize for the hand-holding...  :-)
> >
> > Thanks very much for any and all suggestions..
> >
> > Cheers?
> >    David Utley
> >
> > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> >
> > > The flywheel can actually go on opposite of what it's supposed to if
the
> > > dowel pins have been removed previously by some hack...Also, some
> > > aftermarket flywheels are not marked (though it seems you don't have
this
> > > issue).
> > >
> > > With regards to the second distro installation config, look at the
distro
> > > location with it removed - you should see four bolt holes as opposed
to two.
> > > Install the distro without the bolts and without quite engaging the
cam.
> > > Rotate it so you get an idea of the two fastening config's. You'll
just have
> > > to experiment with each pair once you start running. I'm 85% confident
that
> > > this is your issue as I had to deal with this the first time I did my
2L
> > > swap...
> > >
> > > FWIW - I still don't understand why there was a second set put
there...
> > >
> > > G/L - Jeff
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>
> > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> > >
> > >
> > > > No, not trite...  I have not played with the 16Vs nearly as much as
their
> > > high-
> > > > flow challenged brothers, but I am learning...  :-)
> > > >
> > > > More comments/questions below...
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Dave -
> > > > >
> > > > > This may sound trite, but if you're at all suspicious about the
timing,
> > > I'd
> > > > > do each timing setup over from scratch so you can eliminate that
from
> > > the
> > > > > equation. Since you're not the person who asembled the setup in
the
> > > first
> > > > > place, I would recommend this even more. All the way to remove the
> > > timing
> > > > > belt cover and re-checking the marks...yes, you should check the
cam
> > > timing
> > > > > too!  sorry... :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Couple things to check (which you may already have):
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > 1) Ensure your TDC is true and not for #4
> > > >
> > > > I think we have done this, by using the -0- mark on the flywheel.
THe
> > > > flywheels on the the 16Vs are the same as 8Vs in that they can only
go on
> > > one
> > > > way, right?  In other words, if I check for TDC by using #1 piston
> > > movement,
> > > > and aligned the -0- on the flywheel to the mark on the bell-housing
at the
> > > same
> > > > time, I would indeed be at TDC, correct?
> > > >
> > > > > 2) There are two arrangements that the distro can be screwed in to
allow
> > > > > further adjustment. Try the other and leave the distro a tad
loose.
> > > While
> > > > > you have buddy cranking the engine (or running), rotate the distro
until
> > > you
> > > > > "find the groove" where it's running its best.
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure I understand this, but my mechanic friend prolly will.
I
> > > will
> > > > show it to him and see if he understands...
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the help...
> > > >
> > > > David Utley
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 PM
> > > > > Subject: OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > >   I actually have some 16V qyestions to ask, wooohhoooo!
> > > > > >   The vehicle in question is an '82 p/up with a Passat 2.0 16V
and
> > > > > Scirocco
> > > > > > CIS-E FI...
> > > > > >   Okay, my friend Don and I got the pickup to run, despite the
P.O.s
> > > best
> > > > > > attempts to put the thing together wrong.  The thing would start
and
> > > run,
> > > > > > but you really had to work with the throttle to get it to
accelerate,
> > > and
> > > > > > the sucker is SO LOUD...  Since it would not accelerate easily
at all,
> > > we
> > > > > > began to look at the timing.  After removing #1 spark plug and
> > > checking
> > > > > for
> > > > > > TDC (esp since the marks at the flywheel could not be seen), we
saw
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > cam was retarded by one tooth.  We fixed that and reinstalled,
and ran
> > > it
> > > > > > up.  It ran much better, but it still was not right.  We then
checked
> > > the
> > > > > > timing, and saw that the dist. could not be advanced any more
because
> > > > > there
> > > > > > was no more room left in the attachment slots.  Also, the timing
mark
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > cam gear is not -precisely-pointed at the mark on the valve
cover.  It
> > > is
> > > > > > retarded  about half a tooth.  These two things lead us to
believe
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > cams themselves are not timed properly.  Does that seem like
what is
> > > > > > happening here?  The trouble that we now experience is that the
thing
> > > > > still
> > > > > > does not want to rev like it really should.  It still sputters a
bit,
> > > esp.
> > > > > > if you mash on it from an idler...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don wanted me to ask you all if this was worth the effort of
re-timing
> > > the
> > > > > > cams...  I think the answer is yes, but I too am interested in
what
> > > all
> > > > > you
> > > > > > think needs to be done...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any answers are appreciated, especially the quick ones, as we
will be
> > > > > > attempting to put things right starting noon Sunday, central
time...
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > very much for your time!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers!
> > > > > >    David Utley
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS--  A first!  Although I have 7 VWs, I will for the first time
have
> > > 1.5
> > > > > > running vehicles, woooooo-stinking-hooooo!  :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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