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16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
Alright, I see what you are saying with regards to the dist. issue, and I will
take the flywheel issue into account. If you are right about the flywheel,
then I am at a loss as to how to make sure I am at TDC. BTW, the harmonic
balancer is off slightly as well, is that keyed, or can it be improperly
installed too? :-(
I did take your suggestion, and began to disassemble the top end so that I
could time the cams properly. Don is off on errands, and I am left here
scratching my head. I have a Golf 16V Bentley to advise me, but if the info.
is there, I cannot find it... To the point---How do I adjust the timing of the
cams? I am afraid to begin to loosen the caps w/o specific instruction, I
remember reading somewhere someone lost a Shrick cam because he did not tighten
the caps down in the correct order. That may be apples to my oranges, but I
would rather be cautious than fool-hardy... The marks on the cams were indeed
off, and not facing each other...
I apologize for the hand-holding... :-)
Thanks very much for any and all suggestions..
Cheers?
David Utley
Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> The flywheel can actually go on opposite of what it's supposed to if the
> dowel pins have been removed previously by some hack...Also, some
> aftermarket flywheels are not marked (though it seems you don't have this
> issue).
>
> With regards to the second distro installation config, look at the distro
> location with it removed - you should see four bolt holes as opposed to two.
> Install the distro without the bolts and without quite engaging the cam.
> Rotate it so you get an idea of the two fastening config's. You'll just have
> to experiment with each pair once you start running. I'm 85% confident that
> this is your issue as I had to deal with this the first time I did my 2L
> swap...
>
> FWIW - I still don't understand why there was a second set put there...
>
> G/L - Jeff
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> To: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>
> Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:12 PM
> Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
>
>
> > No, not trite... I have not played with the 16Vs nearly as much as their
> high-
> > flow challenged brothers, but I am learning... :-)
> >
> > More comments/questions below...
> >
> > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> >
> > > Dave -
> > >
> > > This may sound trite, but if you're at all suspicious about the timing,
> I'd
> > > do each timing setup over from scratch so you can eliminate that from
> the
> > > equation. Since you're not the person who asembled the setup in the
> first
> > > place, I would recommend this even more. All the way to remove the
> timing
> > > belt cover and re-checking the marks...yes, you should check the cam
> timing
> > > too! sorry... :)
> > >
> > > Couple things to check (which you may already have):
> > >
> >
> >
> > > 1) Ensure your TDC is true and not for #4
> >
> > I think we have done this, by using the -0- mark on the flywheel. THe
> > flywheels on the the 16Vs are the same as 8Vs in that they can only go on
> one
> > way, right? In other words, if I check for TDC by using #1 piston
> movement,
> > and aligned the -0- on the flywheel to the mark on the bell-housing at the
> same
> > time, I would indeed be at TDC, correct?
> >
> > > 2) There are two arrangements that the distro can be screwed in to allow
> > > further adjustment. Try the other and leave the distro a tad loose.
> While
> > > you have buddy cranking the engine (or running), rotate the distro until
> you
> > > "find the groove" where it's running its best.
> >
> > I am not sure I understand this, but my mechanic friend prolly will. I
> will
> > show it to him and see if he understands...
> >
> > Thanks for the help...
> >
> > David Utley
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 PM
> > > Subject: OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > > I actually have some 16V qyestions to ask, wooohhoooo!
> > > > The vehicle in question is an '82 p/up with a Passat 2.0 16V and
> > > Scirocco
> > > > CIS-E FI...
> > > > Okay, my friend Don and I got the pickup to run, despite the P.O.s
> best
> > > > attempts to put the thing together wrong. The thing would start and
> run,
> > > > but you really had to work with the throttle to get it to accelerate,
> and
> > > > the sucker is SO LOUD... Since it would not accelerate easily at all,
> we
> > > > began to look at the timing. After removing #1 spark plug and
> checking
> > > for
> > > > TDC (esp since the marks at the flywheel could not be seen), we saw
> that
> > > the
> > > > cam was retarded by one tooth. We fixed that and reinstalled, and ran
> it
> > > > up. It ran much better, but it still was not right. We then checked
> the
> > > > timing, and saw that the dist. could not be advanced any more because
> > > there
> > > > was no more room left in the attachment slots. Also, the timing mark
> on
> > > the
> > > > cam gear is not -precisely-pointed at the mark on the valve cover. It
> is
> > > > retarded about half a tooth. These two things lead us to believe
> that
> > > the
> > > > cams themselves are not timed properly. Does that seem like what is
> > > > happening here? The trouble that we now experience is that the thing
> > > still
> > > > does not want to rev like it really should. It still sputters a bit,
> esp.
> > > > if you mash on it from an idler...
> > > >
> > > > Don wanted me to ask you all if this was worth the effort of re-timing
> the
> > > > cams... I think the answer is yes, but I too am interested in what
> all
> > > you
> > > > think needs to be done...
> > > >
> > > > Any answers are appreciated, especially the quick ones, as we will be
> > > > attempting to put things right starting noon Sunday, central time...
> > > Thanks
> > > > very much for your time!
> > > >
> > > > Cheers!
> > > > David Utley
> > > >
> > > > PS-- A first! Although I have 7 VWs, I will for the first time have
> 1.5
> > > > running vehicles, woooooo-stinking-hooooo! :)
> > > >
> > > >
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> >
> >
> >
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