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16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
how to find TDC is some ham fist put your flywheel on wrong w/ an IMPACT
gun, and a drill.
find a long implent either a wooden dowel or the long phillips that comes
in the craftsman screwdriver kit.
put it in the #1 clyn hole.. it should be free and wiggle a fair bit. the
scredriver is nice cause it cant fall in, but it hazardous cause its
metal.
THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
IMPORTANT: only HAND crank the motor.
ONLY HAND CRANK THE MOTOR!!! in case anybody out there missed this.
and then put your 19mm on the crank (youve already got the spark plugs
out). and carefully turn the motor over untill you see the object come up.
you will see that it comes up, stops, and goes back down.
when it is near the top look down at the lower t-belt cover and the
harmoic balancer pulley there is a tick mark. line that and that arrow up
on the plastic cover (not as precise as the TDC mark on theflywheel). Now
that object in the sparkplug hole can be remove and put back in your tool
box.
now go look again at the flywheel. you'll prolly see the dot and hack in
it now, its really really hard to screw up putting the flywheel on. The
bolt holes are not symmetric. use a flashlight.
Now check the dist. the rotor should basically point right at the tick
mark on the sealing rim of the dizzy.
Brian
On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, David Utley wrote:
> Alright, I see what you are saying with regards to the dist. issue, and I will
> take the flywheel issue into account. If you are right about the flywheel,
> then I am at a loss as to how to make sure I am at TDC. BTW, the harmonic
> balancer is off slightly as well, is that keyed, or can it be improperly
> installed too? :-(
>
> I did take your suggestion, and began to disassemble the top end so that I
> could time the cams properly. Don is off on errands, and I am left here
> scratching my head. I have a Golf 16V Bentley to advise me, but if the info.
> is there, I cannot find it... To the point---How do I adjust the timing of the
> cams? I am afraid to begin to loosen the caps w/o specific instruction, I
> remember reading somewhere someone lost a Shrick cam because he did not tighten
> the caps down in the correct order. That may be apples to my oranges, but I
> would rather be cautious than fool-hardy... The marks on the cams were indeed
> off, and not facing each other...
>
> I apologize for the hand-holding... :-)
>
> Thanks very much for any and all suggestions..
>
> Cheers?
> David Utley
>
> Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
>
> > The flywheel can actually go on opposite of what it's supposed to if the
> > dowel pins have been removed previously by some hack...Also, some
> > aftermarket flywheels are not marked (though it seems you don't have this
> > issue).
> >
> > With regards to the second distro installation config, look at the distro
> > location with it removed - you should see four bolt holes as opposed to two.
> > Install the distro without the bolts and without quite engaging the cam.
> > Rotate it so you get an idea of the two fastening config's. You'll just have
> > to experiment with each pair once you start running. I'm 85% confident that
> > this is your issue as I had to deal with this the first time I did my 2L
> > swap...
> >
> > FWIW - I still don't understand why there was a second set put there...
> >
> > G/L - Jeff
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>
> > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> >
> >
> > > No, not trite... I have not played with the 16Vs nearly as much as their
> > high-
> > > flow challenged brothers, but I am learning... :-)
> > >
> > > More comments/questions below...
> > >
> > > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
> > >
> > > > Dave -
> > > >
> > > > This may sound trite, but if you're at all suspicious about the timing,
> > I'd
> > > > do each timing setup over from scratch so you can eliminate that from
> > the
> > > > equation. Since you're not the person who asembled the setup in the
> > first
> > > > place, I would recommend this even more. All the way to remove the
> > timing
> > > > belt cover and re-checking the marks...yes, you should check the cam
> > timing
> > > > too! sorry... :)
> > > >
> > > > Couple things to check (which you may already have):
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 1) Ensure your TDC is true and not for #4
> > >
> > > I think we have done this, by using the -0- mark on the flywheel. THe
> > > flywheels on the the 16Vs are the same as 8Vs in that they can only go on
> > one
> > > way, right? In other words, if I check for TDC by using #1 piston
> > movement,
> > > and aligned the -0- on the flywheel to the mark on the bell-housing at the
> > same
> > > time, I would indeed be at TDC, correct?
> > >
> > > > 2) There are two arrangements that the distro can be screwed in to allow
> > > > further adjustment. Try the other and leave the distro a tad loose.
> > While
> > > > you have buddy cranking the engine (or running), rotate the distro until
> > you
> > > > "find the groove" where it's running its best.
> > >
> > > I am not sure I understand this, but my mechanic friend prolly will. I
> > will
> > > show it to him and see if he understands...
> > >
> > > Thanks for the help...
> > >
> > > David Utley
> > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
> > > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 PM
> > > > Subject: OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > I actually have some 16V qyestions to ask, wooohhoooo!
> > > > > The vehicle in question is an '82 p/up with a Passat 2.0 16V and
> > > > Scirocco
> > > > > CIS-E FI...
> > > > > Okay, my friend Don and I got the pickup to run, despite the P.O.s
> > best
> > > > > attempts to put the thing together wrong. The thing would start and
> > run,
> > > > > but you really had to work with the throttle to get it to accelerate,
> > and
> > > > > the sucker is SO LOUD... Since it would not accelerate easily at all,
> > we
> > > > > began to look at the timing. After removing #1 spark plug and
> > checking
> > > > for
> > > > > TDC (esp since the marks at the flywheel could not be seen), we saw
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > cam was retarded by one tooth. We fixed that and reinstalled, and ran
> > it
> > > > > up. It ran much better, but it still was not right. We then checked
> > the
> > > > > timing, and saw that the dist. could not be advanced any more because
> > > > there
> > > > > was no more room left in the attachment slots. Also, the timing mark
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > cam gear is not -precisely-pointed at the mark on the valve cover. It
> > is
> > > > > retarded about half a tooth. These two things lead us to believe
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > cams themselves are not timed properly. Does that seem like what is
> > > > > happening here? The trouble that we now experience is that the thing
> > > > still
> > > > > does not want to rev like it really should. It still sputters a bit,
> > esp.
> > > > > if you mash on it from an idler...
> > > > >
> > > > > Don wanted me to ask you all if this was worth the effort of re-timing
> > the
> > > > > cams... I think the answer is yes, but I too am interested in what
> > all
> > > > you
> > > > > think needs to be done...
> > > > >
> > > > > Any answers are appreciated, especially the quick ones, as we will be
> > > > > attempting to put things right starting noon Sunday, central time...
> > > > Thanks
> > > > > very much for your time!
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers!
> > > > > David Utley
> > > > >
> > > > > PS-- A first! Although I have 7 VWs, I will for the first time have
> > 1.5
> > > > > running vehicles, woooooo-stinking-hooooo! :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
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