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16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..



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->-----Original Message-----
->From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org 
->[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Toomasson
->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 6:54 PM
->To: Brian McGarvey; David Utley
->Cc: 'scirocco list'
->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
->
->Brian - Did Patrick hi-jack your computer??  It's only so 
->often that someone conjures up spelling mistakes that butcher 
->up a sentence to the point it's complete void of 
->understandability...  :p
->
->(ducking) JT
->----- Original Message -----
->From: "Brian McGarvey" <brianm@earendel.org>
->To: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
->Cc: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>; "'scirocco list'"
-><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 1:53 PM
->Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
->
->
->> how to find TDC is some ham fist put your flywheel on wrong 
->w/ an IMPACT
->> gun, and a drill.
->>
->>
->> find a long implent either a wooden dowel or the long 
->phillips that comes
->> in the craftsman screwdriver kit.
->> put it in the #1 clyn hole.. it should be free and wiggle a 
->fair bit. the
->> scredriver  is nice cause it cant fall in, but it hazardous 
->cause its
->> metal.
->>
->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
->> THIS IS ONLY FOR A 16V motor..
->> IMPORTANT: only HAND crank the motor.
->> ONLY HAND CRANK THE MOTOR!!! in case anybody out there missed this.
->>
->> and then put your 19mm on the crank (youve already got the 
->spark plugs
->> out). and carefully turn the motor over untill you see the 
->object come up.
->> you will see that it comes up, stops, and goes back down.
->> when it is near the top look down at the lower t-belt cover and the
->> harmoic balancer pulley there is a tick mark. line that and 
->that arrow up
->> on the plastic cover (not as precise as the TDC mark on 
->theflywheel). Now
->> that object in the sparkplug hole  can be remove and put 
->back in your tool
->> box.
->>
->> now go look again at the flywheel. you'll prolly see the 
->dot and hack in
->> it now, its really really hard to screw up putting the 
->flywheel on. The
->> bolt holes are not symmetric. use a flashlight.
->>
->> Now check the dist. the rotor should basically point right 
->at the tick
->> mark on the sealing rim of the dizzy.
->> Brian
->>
->>
->> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004, David Utley wrote:
->>
->> > Alright, I see what you are saying with regards to the 
->dist. issue, and
->I will
->> > take the flywheel issue into account.  If you are right about the
->flywheel,
->> > then I am at a loss as to how to make sure I am at TDC.  BTW, the
->harmonic
->> > balancer is off slightly as well, is that keyed, or can 
->it be improperly
->> > installed too?  :-(
->> >
->> > I did take your suggestion, and began to disassemble the 
->top end so that
->I
->> > could time the cams properly.  Don is off on errands, and 
->I am left here
->> > scratching my head.  I have a Golf 16V Bentley to advise 
->me, but if the
->info.
->> > is there, I cannot find it...  To the point---How do I 
->adjust the timing
->of the
->> > cams?  I am afraid to begin to loosen the caps w/o 
->specific instruction,
->I
->> > remember reading somewhere someone lost a Shrick cam 
->because he did not
->tighten
->> > the caps down in the correct order.  That may be apples 
->to my oranges,
->but I
->> > would rather be cautious than fool-hardy...  The marks on 
->the cams were
->indeed
->> > off, and not facing each other...
->> >
->> > I apologize for the hand-holding...  :-)
->> >
->> > Thanks very much for any and all suggestions..
->> >
->> > Cheers?
->> >    David Utley
->> >
->> > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
->> >
->> > > The flywheel can actually go on opposite of what it's 
->supposed to if
->the
->> > > dowel pins have been removed previously by some 
->hack...Also, some
->> > > aftermarket flywheels are not marked (though it seems 
->you don't have
->this
->> > > issue).
->> > >
->> > > With regards to the second distro installation config, 
->look at the
->distro
->> > > location with it removed - you should see four bolt 
->holes as opposed
->to two.
->> > > Install the distro without the bolts and without quite 
->engaging the
->cam.
->> > > Rotate it so you get an idea of the two fastening 
->config's. You'll
->just have
->> > > to experiment with each pair once you start running. 
->I'm 85% confident
->that
->> > > this is your issue as I had to deal with this the first 
->time I did my
->2L
->> > > swap...
->> > >
->> > > FWIW - I still don't understand why there was a second set put
->there...
->> > >
->> > > G/L - Jeff
->> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
->> > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
->> > > To: "Jeff Toomasson" <area53@validpath.com>
->> > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->> > > Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 12:12 PM
->> > > Subject: Re: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need help ASAP..
->> > >
->> > >
->> > > > No, not trite...  I have not played with the 16Vs 
->nearly as much as
->their
->> > > high-
->> > > > flow challenged brothers, but I am learning...  :-)
->> > > >
->> > > > More comments/questions below...
->> > > >
->> > > > Quoting Jeff Toomasson <area53@validpath.com>:
->> > > >
->> > > > > Dave -
->> > > > >
->> > > > > This may sound trite, but if you're at all 
->suspicious about the
->timing,
->> > > I'd
->> > > > > do each timing setup over from scratch so you can 
->eliminate that
->from
->> > > the
->> > > > > equation. Since you're not the person who asembled 
->the setup in
->the
->> > > first
->> > > > > place, I would recommend this even more. All the 
->way to remove the
->> > > timing
->> > > > > belt cover and re-checking the marks...yes, you 
->should check the
->cam
->> > > timing
->> > > > > too!  sorry... :)
->> > > > >
->> > > > > Couple things to check (which you may already have):
->> > > > >
->> > > >
->> > > >
->> > > > > 1) Ensure your TDC is true and not for #4
->> > > >
->> > > > I think we have done this, by using the -0- mark on 
->the flywheel.
->THe
->> > > > flywheels on the the 16Vs are the same as 8Vs in that 
->they can only
->go on
->> > > one
->> > > > way, right?  In other words, if I check for TDC by 
->using #1 piston
->> > > movement,
->> > > > and aligned the -0- on the flywheel to the mark on 
->the bell-housing
->at the
->> > > same
->> > > > time, I would indeed be at TDC, correct?
->> > > >
->> > > > > 2) There are two arrangements that the distro can 
->be screwed in to
->allow
->> > > > > further adjustment. Try the other and leave the distro a tad
->loose.
->> > > While
->> > > > > you have buddy cranking the engine (or running), 
->rotate the distro
->until
->> > > you
->> > > > > "find the groove" where it's running its best.
->> > > >
->> > > > I am not sure I understand this, but my mechanic 
->friend prolly will.
->I
->> > > will
->> > > > show it to him and see if he understands...
->> > > >
->> > > > Thanks for the help...
->> > > >
->> > > > David Utley
->> > > >
->> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
->> > > > > From: "David Utley" <mr.utility@highstream.net>
->> > > > > Cc: "'scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
->> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 10:41 PM
->> > > > > Subject: OT: 16V 2.0 Pickup lives, sort of... Need 
->help ASAP..
->> > > > >
->> > > > >
->> > > > > >
->> > > > > >
->> > > > > > Hello all,
->> > > > > >   I actually have some 16V qyestions to ask, wooohhoooo!
->> > > > > >   The vehicle in question is an '82 p/up with a 
->Passat 2.0 16V
->and
->> > > > > Scirocco
->> > > > > > CIS-E FI...
->> > > > > >   Okay, my friend Don and I got the pickup to 
->run, despite the
->P.O.s
->> > > best
->> > > > > > attempts to put the thing together wrong.  The 
->thing would start
->and
->> > > run,
->> > > > > > but you really had to work with the throttle to get it to
->accelerate,
->> > > and
->> > > > > > the sucker is SO LOUD...  Since it would not 
->accelerate easily
->at all,
->> > > we
->> > > > > > began to look at the timing.  After removing #1 
->spark plug and
->> > > checking
->> > > > > for
->> > > > > > TDC (esp since the marks at the flywheel could 
->not be seen), we
->saw
->> > > that
->> > > > > the
->> > > > > > cam was retarded by one tooth.  We fixed that and 
->reinstalled,
->and ran
->> > > it
->> > > > > > up.  It ran much better, but it still was not 
->right.  We then
->checked
->> > > the
->> > > > > > timing, and saw that the dist. could not be 
->advanced any more
->because
->> > > > > there
->> > > > > > was no more room left in the attachment slots.  
->Also, the timing
->mark
->> > > on
->> > > > > the
->> > > > > > cam gear is not -precisely-pointed at the mark on 
->the valve
->cover.  It
->> > > is
->> > > > > > retarded  about half a tooth.  These two things lead us to
->believe
->> > > that
->> > > > > the
->> > > > > > cams themselves are not timed properly.  Does 
->that seem like
->what is
->> > > > > > happening here?  The trouble that we now 
->experience is that the
->thing
->> > > > > still
->> > > > > > does not want to rev like it really should.  It 
->still sputters a
->bit,
->> > > esp.
->> > > > > > if you mash on it from an idler...
->> > > > > >
->> > > > > > Don wanted me to ask you all if this was worth 
->the effort of
->re-timing
->> > > the
->> > > > > > cams...  I think the answer is yes, but I too am 
->interested in
->what
->> > > all
->> > > > > you
->> > > > > > think needs to be done...
->> > > > > >
->> > > > > > Any answers are appreciated, especially the quick 
->ones, as we
->will be
->> > > > > > attempting to put things right starting noon 
->Sunday, central
->time...
->> > > > > Thanks
->> > > > > > very much for your time!
->> > > > > >
->> > > > > > Cheers!
->> > > > > >    David Utley
->> > > > > >
->> > > > > > PS--  A first!  Although I have 7 VWs, I will for 
->the first time
->have
->> > > 1.5
->> > > > > > running vehicles, woooooo-stinking-hooooo!  :)
->> > > > > >
->> > > > > >
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