fuel to the fire: 16v's are BAD!

[scirocco-al at insight.rr.com (Scirocco-Al)]

I have  friend that builds 8V 1600 motors for an open wheel class of race
car and gets 240 HP.  Of course he builds them with titanium rods and etc
but what they are in no way streatable but what the hey..  I almost had him
build an 1.8 for my car.  My personal preference is for the solid lifter JH
motors.  I've never liked hydraulic lifters.

Alan
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bradley Peet" <btpeet@effervescent.com>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>; "Dan Smith" <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: fuel to the fire: 16v's are BAD!


> What's weak is you quoting some Drake employee's opinion from 1988.  The
> dyno results don't lie and while it may not be CHEAP to go 16V, you are
> clearly limiting your HP potential if you stick with an 8V powerplant.
The
> VW head isn't the best 16V head on the planet, but so what!  It's STOCK
and
> plentiful, not some rare and elusive Drake or Oettinger part that you'd
have
> a bitch of a time replacing or finding parts for.
>
> I see 16Vs dyno 150 to 160 at the wheels (170 to 195 crank) all the time,
> but never a normally aspirated 8V.  We all should know by now that dollar
> per horsepower curve gets very steep, very quickly.  This applies to you
> beloved 8V motor as well.  Sure you can get decent gains with a big valve
> head, cam, and exhaust, but where do you go from there?  THAT is the
> question.
>
> Bradley
> 1988 Scirocco 16VT 2.0L
> 2002 Audi S4 Avant Biturbo
>
> > Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Dan Smith <sad_rocc@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: fuel to the fire: 16v's are BAD!
> > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Message-ID: <20031005163547.35794.qmail@web42001.mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> >
> > Don't believe me? Read this old forum response to someone from a
> > top Drake guy. Don't want to read the whole thing? Let me quote
> > the good bits. "DON'T (read that again DON'T) get a VW 16v.  They
> > are absolutely junk." and "And, like I mentioned, it is a
> > performce DOG. At 123hp (US spec), it is a weak puke of a motor."
> > Hah! Haha! Take that 16vers!
>
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