Re: Engine mounts R&R questions.

["Allyn" <amalventano1@home.com>]

Marc,
Im pretty sure its only dealers that get them this way. Either that or my
dealer is all f***ed up, which would be no surprise to me.
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Peterson" <mpeters6@rochester.rr.com>
To: "Allyn" <amalventano1@home.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>; "Cheapass
Ron Pieper" <rapieper@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Engine mounts R&R questions.


> Damnit!!!
> I ordered these from Adirondack, and they didn't mention a thing about
> pre-pressed brackets.  Crap.  The first time I decided not to order
> something from Potterman, and I make more work for myself.  The VW gods
must
> be loving that.
>
> I vow never to order a part from anyone other than Mike Potter ever again.
> Unless its Kristen Potter.
>
> Marc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@home.com>
> To: "Marc Peterson" <mpeters6@rochester.rr.com>;
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>;
> "Cheapass Ron Pieper" <rapieper@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 2:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Engine mounts R&R questions.
>
>
> > - preps:
> > put the front end up on jackstands (you will need the jack for the
> engine).
> > remove wheels associated with the mount side you are changing.
> > disconnect +12v.
> > remove all belts, timing belt included.
> > - front/rear:
> > remove front and rear mounts (easy)
> > - passenger side:
> > support engine. loosten passenger side mount center bolt, raise engine
> > slightly to ease removal of the bracket bolts (these require a hex
driver,
> 6
> > or 7 mm i think). Now lower engine low enough to remove the
bracket/mount
> > combo. Put new mount in bracket (see bottom). reinstall bracket. only
> screw
> > in the center bolt a few turns, dont torque unless the engine is where
it
> > needs to be (i.e. level), and you dont intend to move it any further
(i.e.
> > not changing trans mount). pivoting engine mount after torqued will
> destroy
> > the rubber and nullify your work.
> > - driver side (trans):
> > ensure passenger side mount is INSTALLED (you're about to undo the last
> > thing holding it in if its not installed). also ensure the center bolt
is
> > NOT torqued (see above). remove lower strut tie bar (16v), if installed
> > (between the a-arms). You will have to drop the transmission side of the
> > engine beyond where this bar will let it go. This is to get the mount
> > bracket bolts to clear the frame as you try to remove them. It also
allows
> > easier removal of the ground strap from the mount bracket. It is
suggested
> > that you remove this bar FIRST, before unbolting any part of the mount
> > (safety). You will be way under the engine getting this bar off. Ok,
> enough
> > about the damn bar (heh), once its off, support engine, remove the
center
> > mount bolt (easier if battery is removed). lower trans side of engine
> until
> > you can get to the bracket bolts from the wheel well. Remove ground
strap
> > from mount bracket. Remove bracket-to-tranny nuts/bolts (note: some have
> > nuts spot welded to bracket, some dont). Put new mount in bracket
(again,
> > see below). Reinstall. When putting everything together, be sure you
have
> > the center mount bolt in before you go fumbling around under the engine
> > trying to get the lower strut tie bar back in (i dont want anyone
killing
> > themselves over an engine mount :).
> > - the changing of the mount:
> > ok, most dealerships now receive these things pre-installed in the
> > appropriate bracket, so some dealerships have no clue how to press them
in
> > properly. The dealership i tried didnt even have the press kit for it
> > anymore! Anyhow, find a nice WWII table mounted vice (the kind that
> > resembles what buggs might drop on daffy). You will also need a hacksaw
> (the
> > kind with the wingnut to tighten the blade). Put the mount bracket in
the
> > vice (clamp it on a flat spot, not the circle that the mount is in).
Take
> > the blade off the hacksaw, run it through a hole in the rubber mount,
near
> > the outer ring. Put the hacksaw back together around the blade/mount
> combo.
> > Now starts the fun, commence the sawing. Be sure to oil the blade as you
> > saw, especially with that first 1/8th of rubber you have to go through
> > before you hit the outer ring. What you are trying to accomplish is to
saw
> > through the mounts outer metal ring without damaging the mount bracket.
> You
> > will have to be careful to saw evenly. Since you are going through 1" of
> > metal, it will seem to take forever. You only have to go about 1/16th",
so
> > it wont take too long. When you make it through, the mount ring will try
> to
> > compress on the blade, so it will probably stop you from sawing
> alltogether.
> > Take the saw apart again, get the blade out of there, and tap the mount
> out
> > of the bracket (it will be VERY easy). Now you get to see just how
strong
> > your ghosen vice is. Put a thin layer of grease on the outer enge of the
> new
> > mount, to ease starting. Steal 2 pairs of ratchet extensions fron your
> > neighbors. Each pair needs to be the same thickness. Use these 2 pairs
as
> > spacers on either side of the center mount pin so you can compress the
> mount
> > into the bracket without killing the mount. It wont be easy with this
> > extension contraption, getting the mount started is the hardest part. As
> you
> > press further, it will get much harder. You will most likely need a 3'
> pipe
> > on that vice handle.
> >
> > Jeesh, im too wordy, hope this helps though.
> > Al
> >
> > Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> > 87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6) running - for
> now
> > 87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original
clutch,
> > driveshafts, wheels :)
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marc Peterson" <mpeters6@rochester.rr.com>
> > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:12 PM
> > Subject: Engine mounts R&R questions.
> >
> >
> > > After watching my engine rock back and forth during the dyno day, it
was
> > > suggested that I replace all the motor mounts.  I went ahead and
ordered
> > > them.
> > >
> > > The one one the front, and the lower trans mount seem straight
forward,
> > but
> > > the upper trans mount and the pass side mount seem weird.  Do you have
> to
> > > remove the mount holder thingie off the engine and then press the
mount
> > out?
> > > It seems that to get the pass side mount holder off the engine, the
> engine
> > > would have to be either raised or dropped a good deal, 4+ inches.  On
> the
> > > upper trans mount (under the battery) the holder looks easier to get
at,
> > but
> > > do you still need to press the mount out?
> > >
> > > I don't have a press. :(
> > >
> > > Help?
> > >
> > >
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