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front cross member bar - ripoff?



Anyone ever visit them? They are in Cary, NC.

shisler wrote:
> my friend really hasnt had a great experience with black forest. he 
> bought a
> rear brace from them and it was the wrong one. once he found out and 
> tried
> to get a different one they kept giving him the run around.
>
> "who are you"
> "what did we send you"
> "we have no record of this"
>
> many times over. email after email. needless to say they never 
> exchanged for
> the right bar. lame
>
> On 12/12/06, Eric S <scirocco@vintagewatercooleds.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I would suggest the black forrest unit (not a terrible price really) or
>> others that are available on vortex.  I will not be making these again.
>>
>> -- 
>> Eric
>> www.vintagewatercooleds.com
>>
>> 1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
>> 1990 Fox Wagon 1.6 Heron Head 8v
>> 1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
>>
>>
>> raveracer77 said:
>> >     I want one.  Would you want to go back to making them again, or
>> should
>> > I look into this Black Forest one?
>> >
>> >       Rave Racer
>> > Currently:
>> > NEW!!  91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
>> > '81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2
>> >
>> > '89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
>> > '87 Audi 4000 Quattro
>> >  http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
>> > '72 Triumph GT6
>> >
>> http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/50-50-111014_20raveracer-gt6-1.jpg 
>>
>> >
>> > http://spaces.msn.com/raveracer77/photos/
>> > http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer
>> > ___________________________________________
>> >
>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>> >   From: Eric S
>> >   To: David Winchell, II
>> >   Cc: 'Scirocco List'
>> >   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 07:02 AM
>> >   Subject: RE: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   Yep, that was me...honestly, its not like I patented it or anything,
>> and
>> > I
>> >   quit making them some time ago.
>> >
>> >   This bar does most closely resemble my design, looks like it 
>> would do
>> > the
>> >   job!
>> >
>> >   --
>> >   Eric
>> >   www.vintagewatercooleds.com
>> >
>> >   1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
>> >   1990 Fox Wagon 1.6 Heron Head 8v
>> >   1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
>> >
>> >
>> >   David Winchell, II said:
>> >   > It was Eric S.  And it does look just like his with the 
>> exception of
>> > the
>> >   > powder coating. IIRC, Eric was letting someone else from the 
>> vortex
>> > make
>> >   > them after he stopped.
>> >   >
>> >   > I'm sure Eric will post about it and give more details...
>> >   >
>> >   > Dave
>> >   >
>> >   > David Winchell, II
>> >   > 84 Scirocco BBS Turbo
>> >   > 79 Callaway Scirocco
>> >   > 04 .:R32 DBP
>> >   > 04 Mini Cooper S
>> >   > 00 Silverado
>> >   >
>> >   > -----Original Message-----
>> >   > From: julie@menloparkrandd.com [mailto:julie@menloparkrandd.com]
>> >   > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:46 AM
>> >   > To: Nate Lowe; Scirocco List
>> >   > Subject: Re: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>> >   >
>> >   > Scott Rose IIRC. This thing is identical. After all of his hard 
>> work
>> >   > too...
>> >   >
>> >   >>-----Original Message-----
>> >   >>From: Nate Lowe [mailto:nlowe79@gmail.com]
>> >   >>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:28 PM
>> >   >>To: 'Scirocco List'
>> >   >>Subject: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>> >   >>
>> >   >>I remember the front cross member bar that was made either by a
>> lister
>> > or
>> >   >>someone on vortex (or both?) that was used to give support to stop
>> >   > cracking.
>> >   >>Well, I came across this today:
>> >   >>http://store.blackforestindustries.com/mkicrrebar.html which 
>> looks a
>> > hell
>> >   > of
>> >   >>a lot like the bar that was being sold before. I don't remember 
>> who
>> >   >> exactly
>> >   >>designed that bar, but if they didn't authorize its design then 
>> I'm
>> > sure
>> >   >>they'd like to know about this. Hopefully this is all me just 
>> being
>> > out
>> >   >> of
>> >   >>the loop about what happened with that bar's design, but I figured
>> > better
>> >   >>safe than sorry.
>> >   >>Nate
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