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california smog defeats our engine swap

The smog techs should be testing the engine and management system. The RV 
engine that is in my Golf is Digi I, not CIS. Also, by telling them that you 
have a 2.0, they should have failed you on that, They are not going to 
measure the displacement to see. Ask them to do a test only and see what you 
numbers are. If you are within the law, take it from shop to shop, until you 
pass. If you take it to the smog ref., it is his job to dig in the books and 
make sure the part numbers match.

Also, *any* kind of engine swap must first be cleared by the ref. So don't 
tell them that you have an engine swap. If it passes the sniffer, you should 
be able to pass no problem. Just make sure you don't have any obvious visual 
fails (i.e. adjustable cam sprocket, aftermarket header, ect...).

HTH!

-Craig
'83 California Edition (RIP)
"Nightmare" '88 16v (PG-T Proj.)
"Calypso" '91 Golf GL (Daily Driver)




>From: John Ringham <jrringha@adobe.com>
>To: "'Jeff Toomasson'" <area53@validpath.com>,        
"'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
>Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:00:05 -0700
>
>Yes that was back in 96 or 97. The swap is complete smog wise for an RD
>engine and that was all they cared about. I was only being honest when I
>said the displacement was 2.0. I never said anything about the cam, or 
port
>& polish.
>
>What do you need to do to make your swap "smog complete"? 
Maybe try another
>shop?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Toomasson
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:21 PM
>To: 'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'
>Subject: Re: california smog defeats our engine swap
>
>
>Admittedly though - that was more than two years ago  (at least) and 
before
>the implementation of the dyno and the recent crackdown. Your receipt of
>leniency puts you in the minority I'm sure.
>
>Can you tell I'm bitter?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Ringham" <jrringha@adobe.com>
>To: "'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'" 
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:54 PM
>Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
>
>
> > I had to have my car smogged by the referee back when I did my 
swap.
> > RD engine punched out to 2008 cc's ported & polished head, 
neuspeed
> > 268 cam etc. They asked me what engine I swapped into the car. I 
told
> > them it was
>a
> > 2 liter 8v from an 86 GTI. They looked it up in their book and 
said
> > there was no 2 liter for an 86 GTI. I said it was originally a 1.8
> > liter, but
>had
> > been bored and stroked so it was now a 2.0 liter. Their 
response...We
>don't
> > care about that, we'll go with a 1.8. Passed the visual and the
> > sniffer
>with
> > ease. Now I have a sticker in the door jamb and can take it 
anywhere
> > to be smogged.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Jeff 
Toomasson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:23 PM
> > To: bhonnold@pac-cap.com; 'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'
> > Subject: Re: california smog defeats our engine swap
> >
> >
> > Don't you actually have to LIVE in the county in which you're
> > registering the car?
> >
> > I actually had to deal with this f*cking mess myself today - went 
to a
> > "recommended" local smog station for the SECOND time in 
the last
> > couple of days. First time, the "recommended" smog tech 
was too busy
> > to mees with
>the
> > tuning in case it didn't pass and told me to come back during the
> > week. Well, I went back this afternoon only to find the garage 
manager
> > on duty. F*ucking tough guy says, "do you know if there's an
> > aftermarket cam in there? The idle seems kinda lumpy..."
> > Smart-ass...even if it is only a g-grind...This raises his 
suspicions
> > so he goes and looks up the vacuum
>line
> > diagram and notices that my ignition retard port on the distro is
> > capped. "well, it just failed right there...". 
(*&$^%*&
> >
> > I've still got a couple of more-work-involved options, but it 
pisses
> > me
>off
> > when they get all worked up over the visual part of it when 
there's no
>doubt
> > it'll pass the sniffer...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian Honnold" <bhonnold@pac-cap.com>
> > To: "'Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org'" 
<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 4:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
> >
> >
> > > Why did you have to go the referee in the first place?
> > >
> > > None of the CA smog monkeys I have ever been to would have 
noticed
> > > an RV motor instead of the stock JH.  As for cis-e, most of 
them
> > > wouldn't notice that either.
> > >
> > > If you can share with us why you have to go to the REF, maybe 
one of
> > > the
> > CA
> > > peeps can figure out a work around.......like registering the 
car in
> > > a county with NO smog?????
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian Honnold
> > > Director of Multifamily Acquisitions
> > > Pacific Capital Investments
> > > Phone:  916.773.3300
> > > Fax:  916.773.3208
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of 
Dave Ewing
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:25 PM
> > > > To: Scirocco-L@Scirocco.Org
> > > > Subject: RE: california smog defeats our engine swap
> > > >
> > > > Grind off the V and stamp a D.  If you know what it 
really is who
> > > > cares.  OR you could swap the pistons and head in/on to 
a RD block
> > > > or even the block that is stock for that car.  The 
engine code
> > > > tells us what the entire engine is (including
> > > > head) not just what block it is.
> > > >
> > > > So did you have a long conversation with this guy about 
the swap
> > > > or did he figure it out for himself?
> > > >
> > > > Man I'm glad I don't have to do that!!
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
> > > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Joe
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 12:21 PM
> > > > To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > > Subject: california smog defeats our engine swap
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well today my brother took his car to the smog ref to 
try and get
> > > > it certified.  It's an RV motor out of a '92 GTI using 
CIS-E.  He
> > > > was confident that the guy would accept it, but it was a 
no go.  I
> > > > was pretty sure that it would need to be a complete swap 
(harness
> > > > and all from donor).
> > > >
> > > > If it was an RD block he would have been fine because 
then we
> > > > could have called it a complete swap from an 86-88 
GTI/GLI.
> > > > However, it's an RV.  It's sad because it's pretty much 
the same
> > > > engine from what I can tell.
> > > >
> > > > They were giving him crap about the electronic ignition, 
saying it
> > > > should have had a vacuum advance distributor.  But 
wouldn't any
> > > > high compression motor be equipped with a knock sensor 
and
> > > > consequently an electronic advance distributor?
> > > >
> > > > In any case, we have the car running with CIS-E so it's 
just a
> > > > matter of finding an engine that will be legal in it.  
We do have
> > > > a complete PL laying around, but who knows what that 
would amount
> > > > to in terms of not using the power steering pump, 
exhaust, etc.
> > > > This really sucks because it took way too long to get 
this thing
> > > > going.
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > >
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