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frozen crankshaft sprocket bolt (now pg-13)



okay.. that's it,... TMI TMI TMI!

ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
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=>-----Original Message-----
=>From: Erik [mailto:pats16v@columbus.rr.com]
=>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:53 PM
=>To: C Boyko; txrocco@sbcglobal.net; ansonivan@yahoo.com;
=>rapieper@yahoo.com; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>Subject: Re: frozen crankshaft sprocket bolt (now pg-13)
=>
=>
=>Ha!  You should have seen what my brother did to the Ranch Dressing right
=>before his divorce........
=>----- Original Message -----
=>From: "C Boyko" <roccit_53@hotmail.com>
=>To: <txrocco@sbcglobal.net>; <ansonivan@yahoo.com>; <rapieper@yahoo.com>;
=><scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
=>Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:47 AM
=>Subject: RE: frozen crankshaft sprocket bolt (now pg-13)
=>
=>
=>> Damn, once again, the guys get to have all the fun...
=>> Cathy, too scared to drink milk now...
=>>
=>>
=>> >From: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <txrocco@sbcglobal.net>
=>> >To: "Anson Clement" <ansonivan@yahoo.com>, "Ron Pieper"
=>> ><rapieper@yahoo.com>,<scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
=>> >Subject: RE: frozen crankshaft sprocket bolt (now pg-13)
=>> >Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 11:57:13 -0500
=>> >
=>> >remember if it is the glass type of milk bottle, they ae not pyrex, so
=>> >apply
=>> >heat slowly...(dont want any chards yanno :)0
=>> >
=>> >
=>> >ATS - Patrick Bureau - txrocco@sbcglobal.net
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=>> >=>-----Original Message-----
=>> >=>From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org
=>> >=>[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Anson Clement
=>> >=>Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 11:20 AM
=>> >=>To: Ron Pieper; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
=>> >=>Subject: Re: frozen crankshaft sprocket bolt (now pg-13)
=>> >=>
=>> >=>
=>> >=>crap!.... so much for screwing milk bottles..... er I mean.... hehe
=>> >=>
=>> >=>Anson
=>> >=>
=>> >=>Ron Pieper <rapieper@yahoo.com> wrote:
=>> >=>Na...
=>> >=>
=>> >=>Heat expands stuff...the bolt gets bigger, BUT so does the hole.
=>> >=>And, since the threaded hole is
=>> >=>a bit bigger than the bolt, it WILL become looser.
=>> >=>
=>> >=>And the heat serves but burn dirt, rust etc. which helps too.
=>> >=>
=>> >=>Larry will confirm this, I'm sure.
=>> >=>
=>> >=>Ron
=>> >=>
=>> >=>
=>> >=>--- Dan Bubb wrote:
=>> >=>> So, far Anson has THE BEST reply to the frozen crankshaft bolt
=>> >question!
=>> >=>> Graphic! But, clearly the most original!
=>> >=>>
=>> >=>> ----- Original Message -----
=>> >=>> From: "Anson Clement"
=>> >=>> To:
=>> >=>> Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 7:59 AM
=>> >=>> Subject: Re: frozen crankshaft sprocket bolt (now pg-13)
=>> >=>>
=>> >=>>
=>> >=>> > Holy crap guy! Will you stop heating the bolt already?
=>Heat causes
=>> >=>> expansion yes? so in effect you are making a bad situation
=>> >=>badder.... or is
=>> >=>> that worser..... whatever.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > What you described is similar to sticking your willy in a
=>> >=>milk jug (or for
=>> >=>> those less blessed, a beer bottle) and watching footage of
=>> >=>britney spears
=>> >=>> make out with madona..... yea I guess that might not work for
=>> >=>some.... but
=>> >=>> anyways you get the idea..... willy swell no come out of bottle.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > Where was I? ......
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > Anson
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > Dave wrote:
=>> >=>> > There are lots of great "stuck crankshaft sprocket bolt"
=>solutions
=>> >=>> available on this site especially the "crankshaft seal fun!"
=>> >=>threads, and
=>> >=>> believe me, I tried each and every one, but I cannot get the
=>> >=>motherf.uh, I
=>> >=>> mean, the gosh darn thing off!
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > Its a 1984 'rocco with a 1.8.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > Here's what I've tried so far, each of them with and without
=>liberal
=>> >=>> applications of heat and blood.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > 1. Factory stock breaker bar, oil pan off and crankshaft locked
=>with
=>> >a
=>> >=>> block of wood between crank counterweights and the side of the
=>> >=>engine block
=>> >=>> (the side closest to the front-end). Heated bolt for about 10
=>> >=>minutes with
=>> >=>> MAPP gas.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > RESULTS: Splintered wood, amused neighbors.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > 2. Modifed breaker bar (6 foot galvanized pipe cheater bar,
=>> >=>powder coated
=>> >=>> blue, poly thread caps, etc.) and also an upgrade kit for the
=>> >=>piece of wood
=>> >=>> which consisted of a lead dead-blow hammer. The hammer's head
=>> >=>fit perfectly
=>> >=>> sideways against the counterweights and the side of the block.
=>> >=>The breaker
=>> >=>> bar affair was braced with jackstands where the socket met the bolt
=>and
=>> >=>> where the breaker bar met the socket. The bolt was again
=>> >=>heated. I leaned
=>> >=>> about 90 pounds on the end of the 6 foot bar, generating about
=>> >=>500 ft-lbs.
=>> >=>> of torque.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > RESULTS: Thankfully, nothing. I was unsure of the amount of
=>> >=>force required
=>> >=>> to crack the block, and chickened out at 500 ft-lbs. Should I
=>> >=>just go for
=>> >=>> this? With a friend or two, I could easily put a few ft.-tons
=>> >=>on the bolt.
=>> >=>> Its not my car, so I'm a little paranoid.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > 3. Breaker bar on the bolt and bump the starter..
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > RESULTS: Nothing. Stopped the starter dead in it's tracks.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > 4. Jack up the car and then lower its weight on to the
=>bolt via the
=>> >=>> breaker bar. Heated the bolt.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > RESULTS: Nothing. Engine began to lift unpleasantly.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > 5. Pound on the breaker bar (again braced with the jackstands)
=>using
=>> >a
=>> >=>> sledgehammer. Heated the f****ng bolt.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > RESULTS: Nothing, and this one really felt like it was working.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > 6. Impact wrench. Heated the bolt. This was a normal
=>sized gun that
=>> >=>> probably didn't have a hell of a lot of torque, but did break a
=>cheapo
=>> >=>> non-impact socket.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > RESULTS: Nothing, but at least that socket won't be
=>busting anyones
=>> >=>> knuckles. I might go rent a bigger gun (and use a proper impact
=>> >=>socket) if I
=>> >=>> can find a place that'll rent one.
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > Anyways, there you go. I am totally open to any comments,
=>> >=>flames, or death
=>> >=>> threats regarding this problem. Again, when I say I heated the
=>> >=>bolt, I mean
=>> >=>> for about 10 minutes with MAPP gas. Perhaps it needs more?
=>> >=>(Oxy-Acetylene?)
=>> >=>> Thanks man!
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> >
=>> >=>> > --Dave
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