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yeah, i tried that stuff, expensive as hell though, like $25 for a small =
container of the stuff. it may have worked, but the price is a bit =
insane.
Al
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Alan Stamper=20
To: Dan Smith ; rfkellner@snet.net ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: interesting coolant stuff
Jegg's sells stuff called 40 below that is somewhat like water wetter. =
It has a real odd smell to. I had it in my car about 4 years ago, but =
then drained it out for the winter. I could still smell the fumes last =
year when I had the hood open and the car running.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dan Smith=20
To: rfkellner@snet.net ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: interesting coolant stuff
Water Wetter is great stuff if you're going to go without =
anti-freeze. If you do go with anti-freeze, most Saab experts/mechanics =
swear by the Mercedes brand anti-freeze. Doesn't pit engines at all, =
doesn't eat seals or do any bad stuff. There's a comparision that one =
master mechanic does but I can't seem to find the page. It was enough to =
convince me to go with the mercedes stuff if I was concerned about that =
kind of thing.=20
Dan=20
"rfkellner@snet.net" <rfkellner@snet.net> wrote:=20
It seems like we have run the full gamut of coolant opinions. From
straight H2O to never use the green to never use the pink/orange. =
Can
anyone point to some industry papers or independent studies?
Also, for someone that wants to run straight H2O aren't there =
plain
additives to inhibit corrosion? If so, what is in these products?=20
Thanks, Rick K. Soon to change water pump and coolant.....
Original Message:
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From: ian Butler ian@bluemoon.hplx.net
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:55 -0500 (EST)
To: tberk@mindspring.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Subject: Re: interesting coolant stuff
On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, T Berk wrote:
> It's SILICA that is abrasive in old style coolant, it rubs seal =
to
> death and is prob. the main cause (right up there with stiff =
belts
> drawn too tight) of weepy waterpumps.
>! ; Check the label of the orange stuff next time; silica free. =
Prob.
> partly the reason the orange stuff seems to creep out around =
hoses and
> cause that scabby crust as well.
I believe Dex and other long-life coolants have special detergents =
that,
more or less like synthetic, have a tendency to "clean things up", =
which can
involve removing gunk that's keeping the system from leaking.
More importantly, though, green antifreeze contains phosphates, =
and
phosphates eat aluminum. It's not a big deal in inline cars like
Sciroccos, but it's a *huge* deal in Vanagons, where coolant sits =
in the
heads, seeps under the gaskets, and pits/rusts its way right =
through to the
ground. Such a serious and expensive problem on those that a lot =
of
prospective Vanagon buyers won't touch a bus with green coolant in =
it.
It hasn't concerned me enough to immediately replace the green =
coolant in my
'roc (not that I've had the stupid thing since! November anyway.. =
grumble)
but it's about due for a flush, and it'll get Dex when I fill it =
again.
> btw- Yep, water conducts better than coolant, 70/30 water to =
coolant
> seems like a good nominal minimum.
I believe 70/30 is minimum and 30/70 is maximum. Supposedly if you =
go above
30/70, the hot light says "Hello, too much antifreeze!" but I =
haven't
checked...
ian Butler / ian@bluemoon.hplx.net
'88 Scirocco 16v, '87 Vanagon Syncro GL
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>yeah, i tried that stuff, expensive as =
hell though,=20
like $25 for a small container of the stuff. it may have worked, but the =
price=20
is a bit insane.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Al</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dscirocco-al@insight.rr.com=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-al@insight.rr.com";>Alan Stamper</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dsad_rocc@yahoo.com=20
href=3D"mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan Smith</A> ; <A =
title=3Drfkellner@snet.net=20
href=3D"mailto:rfkellner@snet.net";>rfkellner@snet.net</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 24, 2003 =
4:04=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: interesting =
coolant=20
stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jegg's sells stuff called 40 below =
that is=20
somewhat like water wetter. It has a real odd smell to. I =
had it=20
in my car about 4 years ago, but then drained it out for the =
winter. I=20
could still smell the fumes last year when I had the hood open =
and the=20
car running.</FONT></DIV>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsad_rocc@yahoo.com href=3D"mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan =
Smith</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drfkellner@snet.net=20
href=3D"mailto:rfkellner@snet.net";>rfkellner@snet.net</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 24, 2003 =
1:20=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: interesting =
coolant=20
stuff</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<P>Water Wetter is great stuff if you're going to go without =
anti-freeze. If=20
you do go with anti-freeze, most Saab experts/mechanics swear by the =
Mercedes brand anti-freeze. Doesn't pit engines at all, doesn't eat =
seals or=20
do any bad stuff. There's a comparision that one master mechanic =
does but I=20
can't seem to find the page. It was enough to convince me to go with =
the=20
mercedes stuff if I was concerned about that kind of thing.=20
<P>Dan=20
<P> <B><I>"rfkellner@snet.net" =
<rfkellner@snet.net></I></B>=20
wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">It=20
seems like we have run the full gamut of coolant opinions.=20
From<BR>straight H2O to never use the green to never use the =
pink/orange.=20
Can<BR>anyone point to some industry papers or independent=20
studies?<BR><BR>Also, for someone that wants to run straight H2O =
aren=92t=20
there plain<BR>additives to inhibit corrosion? If so, what is in =
these=20
products? <BR><BR>Thanks, Rick K. Soon to change water pump and=20
coolant.....<BR><BR>Original =
Message:<BR>-----------------<BR>From: ian=20
Butler ian@bluemoon.hplx.net<BR>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:55 =
-0500=20
(EST)<BR>To: tberk@mindspring.com, =
scirocco-l@scirocco.org<BR>Subject: Re:=20
interesting coolant stuff<BR><BR><BR>On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, T Berk=20
wrote:<BR><BR>> It's SILICA that is abrasive in old style =
coolant, it=20
rubs seal to<BR>> death and is prob. the main cause (right up =
there=20
with stiff belts<BR>> drawn too tight) of weepy=20
waterpumps.<BR><BR>>! ; Check the label of the orange stuff =
next time;=20
silica free. Prob.<BR>> partly the reason the orange stuff =
seems to=20
creep out around hoses and<BR>> cause that scabby crust as=20
well.<BR><BR>I believe Dex and other long-life coolants have =
special=20
detergents that,<BR>more or less like synthetic, have a tendency =
to "clean=20
things up", which can<BR>involve removing gunk that's keeping the =
system=20
from leaking.<BR><BR>More importantly, though, green antifreeze =
contains=20
phosphates, and<BR>phosphates eat aluminum. It's not a big deal in =
inline=20
cars like<BR>Sciroccos, but it's a *huge* deal in Vanagons, where =
coolant=20
sits in the<BR>heads, seeps under the gaskets, and pits/rusts its =
way=20
right through to the<BR>ground. Such a serious and expensive =
problem on=20
those that a lot of<BR>prospective Vanagon buyers won't touch a =
bus with=20
green coolant in it.<BR><BR>It hasn't concerned me enough to =
immediately=20
replace the green coolant in my<BR>'roc (not that I've had the =
stupid=20
thing since! November anyway.. grumble)<BR>but it's about due for =
a flush,=20
and it'll get Dex when I fill it again.<BR><BR>> btw- Yep, =
water=20
conducts better than coolant, 70/30 water to coolant<BR>> seems =
like a=20
good nominal minimum.<BR><BR>I believe 70/30 is minimum and 30/70 =
is=20
maximum. Supposedly if you go above<BR>30/70, the hot light says =
"Hello,=20
too much antifreeze!" but I haven't<BR>checked...<BR><BR>ian =
Butler /=20
ian@bluemoon.hplx.net<BR>'88 Scirocco 16v, '87 Vanagon Syncro=20
GL<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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