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But then so are some of our projects, eh?
-RGK-
At 04:48 PM 3/24/2003 -0500, Allyn wrote:
>yeah, i tried that stuff, expensive as hell though, like $25 for a small
>container of the stuff. it may have worked, but the price is a bit insane.
>Al
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:scirocco-al@insight.rr.com>Alan Stamper
>To: <mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com>Dan Smith ;
><mailto:rfkellner@snet.net>rfkellner@snet.net ;
><mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:04 PM
>Subject: Re: interesting coolant stuff
>
>Jegg's sells stuff called 40 below that is somewhat like water wetter. It
>has a real odd smell to. I had it in my car about 4 years ago, but then
>drained it out for the winter. I could still smell the fumes last year
>when I had the hood open and the car running.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com>Dan Smith
>To: <mailto:rfkellner@snet.net>rfkellner@snet.net ;
><mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 1:20 PM
>Subject: Re: interesting coolant stuff
>
>Water Wetter is great stuff if you're going to go without anti-freeze. If
>you do go with anti-freeze, most Saab experts/mechanics swear by the
>Mercedes brand anti-freeze. Doesn't pit engines at all, doesn't eat seals
>or do any bad stuff. There's a comparision that one master mechanic does
>but I can't seem to find the page. It was enough to convince me to go with
>the mercedes stuff if I was concerned about that kind of thing.
>
>Dan
>
> "rfkellner@snet.net" <rfkellner@snet.net> wrote:
>It seems like we have run the full gamut of coolant opinions. From
>straight H2O to never use the green to never use the pink/orange. Can
>anyone point to some industry papers or independent studies?
>
>Also, for someone that wants to run straight H2O aren't there plain
>additives to inhibit corrosion? If so, what is in these products?
>
>Thanks, Rick K. Soon to change water pump and coolant.....
>
>Original Message:
>-----------------
>From: ian Butler ian@bluemoon.hplx.net
>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:55 -0500 (EST)
>To: tberk@mindspring.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Re: interesting coolant stuff
>
>
>
>On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, T Berk wrote:
>
> > It's SILICA that is abrasive in old style coolant, it rubs seal to
> > death and is prob. the main cause (right up there with stiff belts
> > drawn too tight) of weepy waterpumps.
>
> >! ; Check the label of the orange stuff next time; silica free. Prob.
> > partly the reason the orange stuff seems to creep out around hoses and
> > cause that scabby crust as well.
>
>I believe Dex and other long-life coolants have special detergents that,
>more or less like synthetic, have a tendency to "clean things up", which can
>involve removing gunk that's keeping the system from leaking.
>
>More importantly, though, green antifreeze contains phosphates, and
>phosphates eat aluminum. It's not a big deal in inline cars like
>Sciroccos, but it's a *huge* deal in Vanagons, where coolant sits in the
>heads, seeps under the gaskets, and pits/rusts its way right through to the
>ground. Such a serious and expensive problem on those that a lot of
>prospective Vanagon buyers won't touch a bus with green coolant in it.
>
>It hasn't concerned me enough to immediately replace the green coolant in my
>'roc (not that I've had the stupid thing since! November anyway.. grumble)
>but it's about due for a flush, and it'll get Dex when I fill it again.
> > btw- Yep, water conducts better than coolant, 70/30 water to coolant
> > seems like a good nominal minimum.
>
>I believe 70/30 is minimum and 30/70 is maximum. Supposedly if you go above
>30/70, the hot light says "Hello, too much antifreeze!" but I haven't
>checked...
>
>ian Butler / ian@bluemoon.hplx.net
>'88 Scirocco 16v, '87 Vanagon Syncro GL
>
>
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But then so are some of our projects, eh?<br>
-RGK-<br><br>
At 04:48 PM 3/24/2003 -0500, Allyn wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>yeah, i
tried that stuff, expensive as hell though, like $25 for a small
container of the stuff. it may have worked, but the price is a bit
insane.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Al</font><br>
<dl>
<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:scirocco-al@insight.rr.com";>Alan
Stamper</a>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan Smith</a> ;
<a href="mailto:rfkellner@snet.net";>rfkellner@snet.net</a> ;
<a href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</a>
<dd>Sent:</b> Monday, March 24, 2003 4:04 PM
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: interesting coolant stuff<br><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>
<dd>Jegg's sells stuff called 40 below that is somewhat like water
wetter. It has a real odd smell to. I had it in my car about
4 years ago, but then drained it out for the winter. I could still
smell the fumes last year when I had the hood open and the car
running.</font>
<dd>----- Original Message -----
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:sad_rocc@yahoo.com";>Dan Smith</a>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rfkellner@snet.net";>rfkellner@snet.net</a> ;
<a href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</a>
<dd>Sent:</b> Monday, March 24, 2003 1:20 PM
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: interesting coolant stuff<br><br>
<dd>Water Wetter is great stuff if you're going to go without
anti-freeze. If you do go with anti-freeze, most Saab experts/mechanics
swear by the Mercedes brand anti-freeze. Doesn't pit engines at all,
doesn't eat seals or do any bad stuff. There's a comparision that one
master mechanic does but I can't seem to find the page. It was enough to
convince me to go with the mercedes stuff if I was concerned about that
kind of thing. <br><br>
<dd>Dan <br><br>
<dd> "rfkellner@snet.net"
<rfkellner@snet.net></i></b> wrote:
<dd>It seems like we have run the full gamut of coolant opinions. From
<dd>straight H2O to never use the green to never use the pink/orange.
Can
<dd>anyone point to some industry papers or independent
studies?<br><br>
<dd>Also, for someone that wants to run straight H2O aren’t there plain
<dd>additives to inhibit corrosion? If so, what is in these products?
<br><br>
<dd>Thanks, Rick K. Soon to change water pump and coolant.....<br><br>
<dd>Original Message:
<dd>-----------------
<dd>From: ian Butler ian@bluemoon.hplx.net
<dd>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:03:55 -0500 (EST)
<dd>To: tberk@mindspring.com, scirocco-l@scirocco.org
<dd>Subject: Re: interesting coolant stuff<br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>On Mon, 24 Mar 2003, T Berk wrote:<br><br>
<dd>> It's SILICA that is abrasive in old style coolant, it rubs seal
to
<dd>> death and is prob. the main cause (right up there with stiff
belts
<dd>> drawn too tight) of weepy waterpumps.<br><br>
<dd>>! ; Check the label of the orange stuff next time; silica free.
Prob.
<dd>> partly the reason the orange stuff seems to creep out around
hoses and
<dd>> cause that scabby crust as well.<br><br>
<dd>I believe Dex and other long-life coolants have special detergents
that,
<dd>more or less like synthetic, have a tendency to "clean things
up", which can
<dd>involve removing gunk that's keeping the system from
leaking.<br><br>
<dd>More importantly, though, green antifreeze contains phosphates, and
<dd>phosphates eat aluminum. It's not a big deal in inline cars like
<dd>Sciroccos, but it's a *huge* deal in Vanagons, where coolant sits in
the
<dd>heads, seeps under the gaskets, and pits/rusts its way right through
to the
<dd>ground. Such a serious and expensive problem on those that a lot of
<dd>prospective Vanagon buyers won't touch a bus with green coolant in
it.<br><br>
<dd>It hasn't concerned me enough to immediately replace the green
coolant in my
<dd>'roc (not that I've had the stupid thing since! November anyway..
grumble)
<dd>but it's about due for a flush, and it'll get Dex when I fill it
again.
<dd>> btw- Yep, water conducts better than coolant, 70/30 water to
coolant
<dd>> seems like a good nominal minimum.<br><br>
<dd>I believe 70/30 is minimum and 30/70 is maximum. Supposedly if you go
above
<dd>30/70, the hot light says "Hello, too much antifreeze!" but
I haven't
<dd>checked...<br><br>
<dd>ian Butler / ian@bluemoon.hplx.net
<dd>'88 Scirocco 16v, '87 Vanagon Syncro GL<br><br>
</dl><br>
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