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BH-
  You are correct.
Final note:  Bondo should be used in very thin amounts.  It is poor =
practice to have any Bondo that is more than about .060" thick on a car. =
(i.e. >.060" when it's ready for primer) Any thicker and it losses its =
ability to flex/expand/contract with the metal.

Larry
sandiego16v
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Haygood=20
  To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
  Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:50 PM
  Subject: Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question


  Just thinking out loud here, but if the bondo is covered with paint =
right after applied, should the paint keep the moisture out and prevent =
the rust?   I know that if you don't clean the old metal well enough you =
can leave some rust or dirt behind that will prevent the bondo from =
bonding and lead to rapid rusting, but if done right it should be OK, =
shouldn't it?  All the same, if you can POR under it, I'd do so for =
safety's sake.

  You could also consider using fiberglass to fill in if the area you =
are filling is large, hole ridden and/or under lots of stress (like the =
corner of a windshield.  Bondo doesn't do as well as glass in large =
amounts when the material under it flexes at all.  Of course it does =
pretty well, but not as well.  So I'm told.  No experience with the =
fiberglass repair stuff myself.

  BH

  --- "Rhett Farnum" <rocco_crossing@hotmail.com> wrote:
  >
  >I believe that there is a new version of Bondo that actually is a =
rust=20
  >inhbitor.
  >
  >Peace Out,
  >
  >Rhett
  >Rocco_crossing
  >'83 Rocco (autocross ready, body work needed)
  >'92 Olds Cutlass Ciera (DD)
  >
  >
  >
  >>From: Robbie Cotner <robw_z@yahoo.com>
  >>To: L F <rocco16v@netzero.net>
  >>CC: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
  >>Subject: Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question
  >>Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 21:42:19 -0800 (PST)
  >>
  >>
  >>Most things I've heard about Bondo state quite the contrary(on it's =
not=20
  >>rusting steel).  On the 240Z list everybody hates bondo with a =
passion,=20
  >>240's are fairly old('70-'73) and their owners deal with rust a lot. =
=20
  >>Apparently over time, Bondo actually absorbs moisture(only what I've =
heard,=20
  >>but heard frequently) and rusts the metal to hell.  Time and time =
again=20
  >>people were finding Bondo tucked away somewhere on there car, always =

  >>accompanied by A LOT of rust.  In almost all cases it had even been =
painted=20
  >>over.  The few that chose to use Bondo would use something like =
POR-15 on=20
  >>the steel, paint it, bondo it, and paint over the Bondo.  Just =
thought I'd=20
  >>chime in-
  >>Rob
  >>  L F <rocco16v@netzero.net> wrote:Why Por?  if you're going to =
bondo=20
  >>anyway?  Steel won't rust under the Bondo.... Larry----- Original =
Message=20
  >>----- From: brett cooke To: Indiana_Red@hotmail.com ;=20
  >>scirocco-l@scirocco.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:13 =
PMSubject:=20
  >>Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question
  >>if you paint with por-15 first, let it dry, then sand it a lil' =
(just to
  >>scuff it up) you should be able to bondo right over it. i've done =
this
  >>before with no bondo adhesion problems. hth
  >>   hit
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>So Sayeth The Hitman
  >>'88 "stripe" 16v scirocco
  >>'91 passat gl "the green hell"
  >><http://www.techography.net:82/brettsgarage>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> >From: "Ken B" <Indiana_Red@hotmail.com>
  >> >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
  >> >Subject: semi OT - Lame bodywork question
  >> >Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 17:40:15 -0700
  >> >
  >> >As a rule, should filler (Bondo) go on bare metal only?  What if =
you=20
  >>wanted
  >> >to rust proof a small section (Por 15) and fill over it a bit.   =
Taboo ?
  >> >or
  >> >OK?  Im thinking of the small holes at the lower corner of where =
my
  >> >windshield sits.
  >> >Thanks
  >> >Ken
  >> >1979 Scirocco 16V -  Almost done
  >> >81 Deisel P/U - Rescued from neglegent PO
  >> >VORTEX:  "Indiana Red"
  >> >
  >> >
  >> >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BH-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; You are correct.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Final note:&nbsp; Bondo should be used =
in very thin=20
amounts.&nbsp; It is poor practice to have any Bondo that is more than =
about=20
.060" thick on a car. (i.e. &gt;.060" when it's ready for primer) Any =
thicker=20
and it losses its ability to flex/expand/contract with the =
metal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:haygood@aemail4u.com"; =
title=3Dhaygood@aemail4u.com>Haygood</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
  title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 17, 2003 =
1:50=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: semi OT - Lame =
bodywork=20
  question</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Just thinking out loud here, but if the bondo is =
covered with=20
  paint right after applied, should the paint keep the moisture out and =
prevent=20
  the rust?&nbsp;&nbsp; I know that if you don't clean the old metal =
well enough=20
  you can leave some rust or dirt behind that will prevent the bondo =
from=20
  bonding and lead to rapid rusting, but if done right it should be OK,=20
  shouldn't it?&nbsp; All the same, if you can POR under it, I'd do so =
for=20
  safety's sake.<BR><BR>You could also consider using fiberglass to fill =
in if=20
  the area you are filling is large, hole ridden and/or under lots of =
stress=20
  (like the corner of a windshield.&nbsp; Bondo doesn't do as well as =
glass in=20
  large amounts when the material under it flexes at all.&nbsp; Of =
course it=20
  does pretty well, but not as well.&nbsp; So I'm told.&nbsp; No =
experience with=20
  the fiberglass repair stuff myself.<BR><BR>BH<BR><BR>--- "Rhett =
Farnum" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rocco_crossing@hotmail.com";>rocco_crossing@hotmail.com</A>=
&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;I believe that there is a new version of Bondo =
that=20
  actually is a rust <BR>&gt;inhbitor.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Peace=20
  Out,<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Rhett<BR>&gt;Rocco_crossing<BR>&gt;'83 Rocco =
(autocross=20
  ready, body work needed)<BR>&gt;'92 Olds Cutlass Ciera=20
  (DD)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;From: Robbie Cotner &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:robw_z@yahoo.com";>robw_z@yahoo.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;To: =
L F=20
  &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net";>rocco16v@netzero.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;=
&gt;CC:=20
  <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR>&g=
t;&gt;Subject:=20
  Re: semi OT - Lame bodywork question<BR>&gt;&gt;Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 =

  21:42:19 -0800 (PST)<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;Most things =
I've heard=20
  about Bondo state quite the contrary(on it's not <BR>&gt;&gt;rusting=20
  steel).&nbsp; On the 240Z list everybody hates bondo with a passion,=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;240's are fairly old('70-'73) and their owners deal with =
rust a=20
  lot.&nbsp; <BR>&gt;&gt;Apparently over time, Bondo actually absorbs=20
  moisture(only what I've heard, <BR>&gt;&gt;but heard frequently) and =
rusts the=20
  metal to hell.&nbsp; Time and time again <BR>&gt;&gt;people were =
finding Bondo=20
  tucked away somewhere on there car, always <BR>&gt;&gt;accompanied by =
A LOT of=20
  rust.&nbsp; In almost all cases it had even been painted=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;over.&nbsp; The few that chose to use Bondo would use =
something=20
  like POR-15 on <BR>&gt;&gt;the steel, paint it, bondo it, and paint =
over the=20
  Bondo.&nbsp; Just thought I'd <BR>&gt;&gt;chime=20
  in-<BR>&gt;&gt;Rob<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; L F &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rocco16v@netzero.net";>rocco16v@netzero.net</A>&gt; =
wrote:Why=20
  Por?&nbsp; if you're going to bondo <BR>&gt;&gt;anyway?&nbsp; Steel =
won't rust=20
  under the Bondo.... Larry----- Original Message <BR>&gt;&gt;----- =
From: brett=20
  cooke To: <A =
href=3D"mailto:Indiana_Red@hotmail.com";>Indiana_Red@hotmail.com</A>=20
  ; <BR>&gt;&gt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> =
Sent:=20
  Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:13 PMSubject: <BR>&gt;&gt;Re: semi OT - =
Lame=20
  bodywork question<BR>&gt;&gt;if you paint with por-15 first, let it =
dry, then=20
  sand it a lil' (just to<BR>&gt;&gt;scuff it up) you should be able to =
bondo=20
  right over it. i've done this<BR>&gt;&gt;before with no bondo adhesion =

  problems. hth<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  hit<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;So Sayeth The=20
  Hitman<BR>&gt;&gt;'88 "stripe" 16v scirocco<BR>&gt;&gt;'91 passat gl =
"the=20
  green hell"<BR>&gt;&gt;&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.techography.net:82/brettsgarage";>http://www.techograph=
y.net:82/brettsgarage</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;=
&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  &gt;From: "Ken B" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Indiana_Red@hotmail.com";>Indiana_Red@hotmail.com</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;&gt;=20
  &gt;To: &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;&gt;=20
  &gt;Subject: semi OT - Lame bodywork question<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;Date: =
Thu, 16=20
  Jan 2003 17:40:15 -0700<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;As a rule, =
should=20
  filler (Bondo) go on bare metal only?&nbsp; What if you=20
  <BR>&gt;&gt;wanted<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;to rust proof a small section (Por =
15) and=20
  fill over it a bit.&nbsp;&nbsp; Taboo ?<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;or<BR>&gt;&gt; =

  &gt;OK?&nbsp; Im thinking of the small holes at the lower corner of =
where=20
  my<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;windshield sits.<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;Thanks<BR>&gt;&gt; =

  &gt;Ken<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;1979 Scirocco 16V -&nbsp; Almost =
done<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
  &gt;81 Deisel P/U - Rescued from neglegent PO<BR>&gt;&gt; =
&gt;VORTEX:&nbsp;=20
  "Indiana Red"<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; =
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