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Turning Rocc into an Azteca :o)
Hmm, interesting idea - for the Rabbit.
Pick up trucks, Aztecas, station wagons etc. are reinforced for that
tailgate. Example, if the manufactures were to build those vehicles without
the tail gates, they would allow some portion of the body/frame to become
smaller and less rigid since they could then depend upon the body for
support. None of these vehicles utilize a "clamping" mechanism to use the
tail gate as a structural member. I don't believe that clamping the tail
gate in for use as a structural member will work. You will have to increase
the structural rigidity somewhere else. Maybe you will have to plate the
floor between the shock towers or some thing. Ask a M E, there must be a few
here on the list. Now about the latches, consider the simple mechanism found
in a pick up. It is so simple that you could easily make it solenoid
operated so that there would be no visible latch on the outside.
Cool idea, keep running with this.
Rick Alexander
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler P." <ty@festf.org>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:35 PM
Subject: RE: Turning Rocc into an Azteca :o)
> Hmm... after another long look at my car I decided not to do it cause the
> roof is too low in the rocco anyway. However, I think I may want to
attempt
> it in the rabbit cause It would be cool to romp through the woods with a
> bike in the back and the tail lights pose less of a prob. Plus my
rabbit's
> $100 price tag makes it more inviting. So how do vehicles like the azteca
> stay rigid with their tailgates? Wouldn't having the tailgate in its
closed
> position with clamps keep the car from twisting still???
>
> BTW: I am in no way saying that the azteca is a nice vehicle, though it
> does bring back fond memories of Inspector Gadget, I think it is one of
the
> ugliest cars in the world, right up there with rabbit pickups *ducks*
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Macfarlane [mailto:juliemac57@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:52 PM
> To: ty@festf.org; scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: RE: Turning Rocc into an Azteca :o)
>
>
> Actually I like the idea. But if the tail section were cut then it would
> allow the body to twist as he said. That plate causes adds stability to
the
> two suspension mounts in the rear.
> Trucks have an H frame adding ridgitity (Spelling?) to the tail . If the
> tail of the rocc were to be cut it would need to be reinforced some how.
>
>
>
> Julie Macfarlane
> Menlo Park Research & Development
> Internet Application Developer
> Amsterdam NY
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Tyler P." <ty@festf.org>
> >To: "List (E-mail)" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >Subject: RE: Turning Rocc into an Azteca :o)
> >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:26:06 -0800
> >
> >Thats right Drew, It would look stock unless you were looking at it
closely
> >seeing as It would need at least two latches on the outside. As for
> >structural stuff, I'm still trying to figure this out. The whole
> >comparison
> >with the convertable mods doesn't work for me because there you
completely
> >remove part of the car, here the "tailgate" could be dropped down but
> >everything would still be there and just be clamped into place. I'm just
> >trying to get opinions on wether or not this area really contributes to
the
> >structure seeing as in a truck situation this doesn't make it so the
truck
> >bed twists. Of course a truck bed isn't exactly part of the body, it
more
> >just sits on the truck (though I don't know if rabbit pickups are like
> >this?).
> >
> >Oh, by the way, I am not joking but not completly serious. This is
> >something I would like to pursue but may do so with my rabbit, but
overall
> >it was a "hey lets gut this but at the same time a tailgate would be cool
> >for easy loading of bikes!" kind of thing. (and no dave, Im not buying a
> >rabbit pickup, they are ugly) Frankly, I feel the complete rear of the
> >scirocco is terribly designed and useless. At the very least I feel like
> >gutting the back because the speaker mount area makes the trunk too
narrow
> >for anything and the rear seats don't fold all the way down, also seeing
as
> >they practically touch the front seats they aren't useful for passengers.
> >
> >I'll make a sketch to show you what I'm envisioning, if such brilliance
can
> >be captured on paper :oP
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Drew Teague [mailto:roccnroll@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 2:31 PM
> >To: ternil@union.edu; ty@festf.org
> >Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> >Subject: Re: Turning Rocc into an Azteca :o)
> >
> >
> >If I understand Tyler correctly, then I think you have his idea wrong. I
> >think what he's doing will look like a stock rocco body-wise, but with
the
> >hatch open, the panel with the lights/license plate would fold down. Is
> >this the right idea?
> >
> >Drew
> >
> >**Drew Teague**
> >Harrisburg, PA
> >
> >`84 8v Rocco -- "Bruise"
> >`85 BMW 318
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Lyman M. Terni" <ternil@union.edu>
> > >To: "Tyler P." <ty@festf.org>
> > >CC: "List (E-mail)" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > >Subject: Re: Turning Rocc into an Azteca :o)
> > >Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 17:17:45 -0500
> > >
> > >this is one of those times when you kind of lose a person's intentions
in
> > >email. Are you joking or actually serious?
> > >
> > >If joking: hahaha
> > >if serious: So, basically, what you are saying you want is a European
El
> > >Camino with a changing option. yikes. Buy one of them Subaru Bajas or
> > >whatever they are called, save a rocc. I'm taking a wild guess here,
but
> > >that would probably do really bad things to your structural integrity.
I
> > >mean, if a convertible has less structural rigidity than a hard top,
> > >imagine what doing this to half your car yourself would do to it. And
> > >maybe I'm paranoid, but what if it rolled?
> > >
> > >LT
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tuesday, January 7, 2003, at 04:15 PM, Tyler P. wrote:
> > >
> > >>I'm thinking about doing a pretty crazy mod. I want to completely gut
> >the
> > >>back of my rocc, including the rear seats so that the entire back is
the
> > >>width of the car and is all flat so I would lay down custom bed liner
to
> > >>make it look stock instead of gutted. Then I want to convert the back
> >and
> > >>make a tail gate so I would lift the hatch then lower the tailgate to
> > >>easily
> > >>roll in mountain bikes. :o) (hence, it would be like an azteca but
nice
> > >>looking)
> > >>
> > >>I just went out and looked at my car for a while and think it could be
> > >>done.
> > >>Basically I would cut by following the lines that go around the rear
> > >>lights
> > >>and go down to the bumper, install hinges and some sort of rubber
seal.
> > >>Then I would have a metal backing put over the inside of the tailgate
so
> > >>it
> > >>covers and protects the lights. Anyway, I think I could do this but
> >here
> > >>is
> > >>a question.
> > >>
> > >>What would this do to my structural integrity? When the hatch was
> >closed
> > >>I
> > >>would think it would be ok because everything would be clamped into
> >place
> > >>but who knows. Also, will there be any structural problems from
gutting
> > >>the
> > >>back and taking out the sides where the rear speakers and trunk board
> >sit?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Also, do you think this sounds as cool as I do? I may try it on my
> >Rabbit
> > >>first.
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