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Very simply put; retarding the IGNITION timing will give you a little =
more low end while advancing it will give a little more top end.
Now, the VALVE/CAM timing works just the opposite.

Larry
sandiego16v
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rhett Farnum=20
  To: scourge@cogeco.ca ; scirocco-l@scirocco.org=20
  Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 5:08 PM
  Subject: re:shift points for older engines]


  <snip>
  could somebody tell me what effects advancing/retarding the timing on =
the=20
  engine and performence of the car, I have an idea but only what I've =
guessed=20
  for myself, nobody's ever explained it really, lol
  <snip>

  I second this question. Could somebody please explain it?

  Peace Out,
  Rhett
  Rocco_crossing
  '83 Rocco (autocross ready, body work needed, starting this tommorrow)
  '92 Olds Cutlass Ciera (DD)



  >From: "Scourge" <scourge@cogeco.ca>
  >To: "Rocco list" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
  >Subject: re:shift points for older engines]
  >Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:01:14 -0500
  >
  >ok....so, after changeing my fuel/air ratio, air filter, sparkplugs, =
and
  >turning my idle back down, I'm at 19mpg (plus it's up to  0 degrees C
  >from -15 last week)
  >
  >I changed my timing today, as recomended by my mechanic, to 6 * =
advance
  >I bumped it before I had a chance to check what it was at, but I =
think it
  >was around 25* advance
  >
  >could somebody tell me what effects advancing/retarding the timing on =
the
  >engine and performence of the car, I have an idea but only what I've=20
  >guessed
  >for myself, nobody's ever explained it really, lol
  >
  >thanx
  >     George
  >
  >and thanx for the help everyone!!
  >
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: "Cathy Boyko" <losinit@usa.net>
  >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
  >Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:35 PM
  >Subject: Re: [RE: shift points for older engines]
  >
  >
  >Vince Royer <vince@performancecarstereo.com> wrote:
  >12 mpg?  Something's gotta be wrong.  I get almost 40 from the exact =
same
  >motor!
  >   My motor's different, but I got way better than that this summer =
with=20
  >the
  >mixture way off the map on the rich end...
  >
  > > -----Original Message-----
  > > From: scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org
  > > [mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Scourge
  > > Sent: February 1, 2003 10:28 PM
  > > To: Rocco list
  > > Subject: Fw: shift points for older engines
  > >
  > >
  > > I'm driving an an 82' with somewhere over 250k on a 1.7
  > > it's hits 7k quite regularly.......I'm addicted to hight rpm
  > > after having a
  > > golf that stopped making power at 5k, lol
  > >
  > >
  > > quick question as well...I leaned out my fuel/air a bit so I can
  > > get better
  > > mileage...I've never really tried tuning the engine myself
  > > before, how lean
  > > is too lean and how can I tell? and what are the effects on the =
engine?
  > > any tips to tuning it? (for power and mileage)
  > > any other tricks to get good gas mileage??
  > >
  > > thanx
  > >    George
  > >
  > > p.s. the reason I decided to tune it on my own........12mpg from
  > > a 1.7.....
  > > I was getting 36mpg in my golf, my wallet hurts, lol
  > >
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Daun Yeagley" <vwdaun@yahoo.com>
  > > To: <FabricSign@aol.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
  > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:07 AM
  > > Subject: Re: shift points for older engines
  > >
  > >
  > > >
  > > > --- FabricSign@aol.com wrote:
  > > > >
  > > > > Anybody who's running an older engine (mine has 120k +
  > > > > miles on it),
  > > > > how hard is it safe to run it?  I'm wondering if I coddle
  > > > > mine too much,
  > > > > e.g. I tend to upshift at around 2500 to 3500 rpm, and
  > > > > rarely rev past
  > > > > 4000 in any gear.
  > > >
  > > > Older engine?  Ha, yours is barely broken in.  Plus, it's a
  > > > JH, which is damn near indestructable.
  > > >
  > > > All of my engines have over 200k.  None use appreciable
  > > > amounts of oil or any other fluid, and all see redline on a
  > > > frequent basis.  Just make sure your oil temp is at least
  > > > 80 C before winding it up, and you should be fine.
  > > >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Very simply put; retarding the IGNITION =
timing will=20
give you a little more low end while advancing it will give a little =
more top=20
end.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now, the VALVE/CAM timing works just =
the=20
opposite.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>sandiego16v</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:rocco_crossing@hotmail.com"=20
  title=3Drocco_crossing@hotmail.com>Rhett Farnum</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:scourge@cogeco.ca"=20
  title=3Dscourge@cogeco.ca>scourge@cogeco.ca</A> ; <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org"=20
  title=3Dscirocco-l@scirocco.org>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 03, 2003 =
5:08=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> re:shift points for =
older=20
  engines]</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>&lt;snip&gt;<BR>could somebody tell me what effects=20
  advancing/retarding the timing on the <BR>engine and performence of =
the car, I=20
  have an idea but only what I've guessed <BR>for myself, nobody's ever=20
  explained it really, lol<BR>&lt;snip&gt;<BR><BR>I second this =
question. Could=20
  somebody please explain it?<BR><BR>Peace=20
  Out,<BR>Rhett<BR>Rocco_crossing<BR>'83 Rocco (autocross ready, body =
work=20
  needed, starting this tommorrow)<BR>'92 Olds Cutlass Ciera=20
  (DD)<BR><BR><BR><BR>&gt;From: "Scourge" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:scourge@cogeco.ca";>scourge@cogeco.ca</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;To: =
"Rocco=20
  list" &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;Subject:=20
  re:shift points for older engines]<BR>&gt;Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 =
20:01:14=20
  -0500<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;ok....so, after changeing my fuel/air ratio, air =
filter,=20
  sparkplugs, and<BR>&gt;turning my idle back down, I'm at 19mpg (plus =
it's up=20
  to&nbsp; 0 degrees C<BR>&gt;from -15 last week)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;I =
changed my=20
  timing today, as recomended by my mechanic, to 6 * advance<BR>&gt;I =
bumped it=20
  before I had a chance to check what it was at, but I think =
it<BR>&gt;was=20
  around 25* advance<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;could somebody tell me what effects=20
  advancing/retarding the timing on the<BR>&gt;engine and performence of =
the=20
  car, I have an idea but only what I've <BR>&gt;guessed<BR>&gt;for =
myself,=20
  nobody's ever explained it really,=20
  lol<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;thanx<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  George<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;and thanx for the help =
everyone!!<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;-----=20
  Original Message -----<BR>&gt;From: "Cathy Boyko" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:losinit@usa.net";>losinit@usa.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt;To: =
&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;Sent:=20
  Sunday, February 02, 2003 7:35 PM<BR>&gt;Subject: Re: [RE: shift =
points for=20
  older engines]<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;Vince Royer &lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:vince@performancecarstereo.com";>vince@performancecarstereo=
.com</A>&gt;=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt;12 mpg?&nbsp; Something's gotta be wrong.&nbsp; I get =
almost 40=20
  from the exact same<BR>&gt;motor!<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; My motor's =
different,=20
  but I got way better than that this summer with =
<BR>&gt;the<BR>&gt;mixture way=20
  off the map on the rich end...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; -----Original=20
  Message-----<BR>&gt; &gt; From: <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.o=
rg</A><BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; [<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l-admin@scirocco.org";>mailto:scirocco-l-admin@sci=
rocco.org</A>]On=20
  Behalf Of Scourge<BR>&gt; &gt; Sent: February 1, 2003 10:28 PM<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  To: Rocco list<BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: Fw: shift points for older=20
  engines<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; I'm driving an an 82' =
with=20
  somewhere over 250k on a 1.7<BR>&gt; &gt; it's hits 7k quite=20
  regularly.......I'm addicted to hight rpm<BR>&gt; &gt; after having =
a<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; golf that stopped making power at 5k, lol<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; quick question as well...I leaned out my fuel/air a =
bit so I=20
  can<BR>&gt; &gt; get better<BR>&gt; &gt; mileage...I've never really =
tried=20
  tuning the engine myself<BR>&gt; &gt; before, how lean<BR>&gt; &gt; is =
too=20
  lean and how can I tell? and what are the effects on the =
engine?<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
  any tips to tuning it? (for power and mileage)<BR>&gt; &gt; any other =
tricks=20
  to get good gas mileage??<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; thanx<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; George<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; p.s. the =
reason I=20
  decided to tune it on my own........12mpg from<BR>&gt; &gt; a =
1.7.....<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; I was getting 36mpg in my golf, my wallet hurts, lol<BR>&gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; &gt; From: =
"Daun=20
  Yeagley" &lt;<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:vwdaun@yahoo.com";>vwdaun@yahoo.com</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; =
To:=20
  &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:FabricSign@aol.com";>FabricSign@aol.com</A>&gt;; =
&lt;<A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A>&gt;<B=
R>&gt;=20
  &gt; Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:07 AM<BR>&gt; &gt; Subject: Re: =
shift=20
  points for older engines<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; --- <A =
href=3D"mailto:FabricSign@aol.com";>FabricSign@aol.com</A>=20
  wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Anybody who's =
running an=20
  older engine (mine has 120k +<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; miles on =
it),<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; &gt; how hard is it safe to run it?&nbsp; I'm wondering if I =

  coddle<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; mine too much,<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
e.g. I=20
  tend to upshift at around 2500 to 3500 rpm, and<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; =
rarely=20
  rev past<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 4000 in any gear.<BR>&gt; &gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
  &gt; &gt; Older engine?&nbsp; Ha, yours is barely broken in.&nbsp; =
Plus, it's=20
  a<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; JH, which is damn near indestructable.<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
  &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; All of my engines have over 200k.&nbsp; None =
use=20
  appreciable<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; amounts of oil or any other fluid, and =
all see=20
  redline on a<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; frequent basis.&nbsp; Just make sure =
your oil=20
  temp is at least<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt; 80 C before winding it up, and you =
should=20
  be fine.<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; &gt;=20
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