88 16V tranny noise

[ralexander03@snet.net (Rick Alexander)]

Monday before The Trip, I went to Julies (Rolling Roc - '87 16v - AGB trans)
to pick up Big Mac's transmission for delivery to Ron. On the way home I did
a drag strip start out of a toll booth. Did not notice anything until about
a mile down the road when everything got smoky and stinky. Looked in the
rear view and great clouds of smoke (dark out so it could have been white or
gray or blue and I would not have been able to tell). I pulled over and
checked the engine oil. 1/2 quart low but that's not particularly unusual.
Drove to a 24 hour gas station to wait for my pick up. Well yesterday I
finally got around to looking into the problem. The front of the engine is
dry, the head gasket area is dry but the timing hole is half wet and the
flywheel is wet. It finally dawns on me that that smell is indeed burnt dino
gear oil and not engine oil. So I started it up and no leak. Drive about
until warm and no leak. Later in the day drive about the same distance and
discovered that 4th gear is whining (louder upon acceleration). Oh well I
guess I'm putting that rebuilt transmission in sooner rather than later and
it will not have the quaiff that I'd been waiting for.

The question here is that this certainly sounds like I ran it dry from a
blown input seal. But 5th is making no noise. Does anyone have any thoughts
on why 4th would be showing signs and 5th isn't.

Rick Alexander
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Allyn" <amalventano1@comcast.net>
To: <Cloud9dive@cs.com>; <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: 88 16V tranny noise


> it soulds like your 5th gear needle bearing is going (the cause of the
play).
> 5th gear gets the least lubrication in 020 trannies. its also the first to
get
> starved of oil when your tranny fluid runs low. you may have a clogged oil
> passage on the way to 5th. As far as doing something you shouldnt have, if
it
> was a 5th gear set from another 020, it should be a simple gear swap, no
tricks
> or anything.
> Al
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Cloud9dive@cs.com>
> To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:48 AM
> Subject: 88 16V tranny noise
>
>
> > My 16V's tranny is making the sound of gears meshing up yet a little
off.
> > There's no crunching sounds, just the tick of slightly off gears.  The
tranny
> > shifts perfect in all gears and there is no sound on acceleration.  The
sound
> > is noticeable when the car is decelerating and does not change tick rate
when
> > the tranny is placed in any of the gears.
> >
> > Just a little background info.............Back in 1992 I put in a 5th
gear
> > conversion kit.  It seemed to work fine yet a couple of years later I
noticed
> > kits being advertised for 16V trannys.  I wondered if I managed to make
> > something work that shouldn't have.  Everything was fine until May 2002
on a
> > trip back from Fla.  The 5th gear destroyed itself.  When I took it
apart, I
> > noticed the smaller gear of the pair appeared to have some play (rocking
not
> > twisting type).  I put the stock gears back on and yet this other noise
is
> > happening.  Would the 5th coming apart destroy some other bearing in the
> > tranny.......possibly in the carrier?
> >
> > Roy
> >
> >
> >
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