allyn's twin

[abatzis2@hotmail.com (Michael Abatzis)]

interesting. what other options did you look at for engine management, and 
why not use 'em? as a looooong term project, i'd like to turbo what i got, 
and i'd like to see what options are out there.
-m

>From: Allyn <amalventano1@comcast.net>

>Mike,
>
>I am in fact going with dsm turbos (starting with ported 16g's for now 
>(already got em), will go
>higher if need be). dsm turbos are very good as far as going up scale with 
>the existing bolt-up
>technique. you can get a very large turbo in there using the same flanges. 
>This is especially good
>since i'm making the flanges myself and dont plan on making them more than 
>once (x2 over).
>
>Electronics: the ENTIRE system will be built by yours truly. The only stuff 
>im not making are the
>actuators/sensors/injectors. Basically anything electronic in the system 
>will be made ala-big al.
>
>Also keep in mind that im still developing the engine mgmt, it is yet to 
>be. That will probably be
>the last thing to go on the twin.
>
>Al
>
>Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
>87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
>86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
>87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch, 
>driveshafts, wheels :)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
>To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:14 PM
>Subject: allyn's twin
>
>
> > allyn, i'm sure you've been through this before, but what did you use 
>for
> > the turbo/electronics? and, something else that's surely been discussed, 
>how
> > hard would it be to use a turbo from another make, saab, volvo, audi, 
>DSM,
> > toyota, etc?
> > -m
> >
> > >From: Allyn <amalventano1@comcast.net>
> >
> > >Rieger:
> > >
> > >Congratulations - this auction successfully ended
> > >Item Title : Volkswagen : 16v Scirocco (Item# 580545590)
> > >Final Price : $4,851.00
> > >Auction Ended At : Apr-23-01 12:49:54 PDT
> > >Total number of bids : 33
> > >
> > >Almost everything else came from ready spares (sciroccos #4 and 5), Big
> > >Macs old ride (rip), and a
> > >~$600 order from the potterpeople a while back. The only other things 
>as of
> > >late are the original
> > >17's for the rieger ($700) and the hella u.s. h3/h4 lights ($40).
> > >
> > >Twin:
> > >
> > >     I am keeping a good tally on the twin so far, unfortunately it 
>will
> > >take a year to complete.
> > >So far i've spent $1950 total (that includes parts to pick up at cincy 
>and
> > >tools bought so far),
> > >that got me the car, another donor, both engines, both turbos, and a
> > >trailer to boot. I still have
> > >to get about half of the necessary tools (probably ~1k), and i will
> > >probably expend another ~$1700
> > >in raw materials (including engine rebuild/frame rebuild pieces parts). 
>The
> > >only way i can pull off
> > >with the relative cheapness of the whole thing is that i'm buying many
> > >tools that the average joe
> > >doesnt have (air compressor, many air tools, welder, pipe bender, 
>press,
> > >paint sprayer, etc), and i
> > >will be doing nearly 100% of all labor in-house.
> > >     As it stands right now im looking to be right at the $5k mark on
> > >expendatures. If i decide to go
> > >with quaifes thats gonna take me over the $5k mark, but i hope to make 
>alot
> > >of that back on selling
> > >all the extra stuff off when both projects are complete.
> > >
> > >Side effects of the project:
> > >
> > >- rieger gets a 2.0 (it was in the $100 donor car for the twin)
> > >- much practice with physics models (calculating frame stress for twin)
> > >- i learn how to build said frame, weld, etc
> > >- i get mucho experience at port/polish/debur/other engine stuff
> > >- several tranny rebuilds (even more experience)
> > >- get to flex my electronic knowledge/muscle on a very big project, as 
>the
> > >twin will be almost
> > >completely fly by wire and have very little factory electronics left 
>("i
> > >love it when a plan comes
> > >together").
> > >
> > >******brace yourself******
> > >
> > >- enough cumulative knowledge/experience such that when the twin is 
>done,
> > >dropping a mid mounted
> > >twin turbo w12 in the rieger will be a drop in the bucket.
> > >
> > >*brief pause for dust to settle*
> > >
> > >Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN (insane in the membrane)
> > >87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
> > >86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
> > >87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original 
>clutch,
> > >driveshafts, wheels :)
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Mike Blain" <rept@qwest.net>
> > >To: <scirocco-L@scirocco.org>
> > >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:17 AM
> > >Subject: Financial tally on our cars!
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just did a solid tally on the expenditures of tuning my car in the
> > > > three years Ive had it.  It includes everything spent from initial
> > > > purchase excluding state lisencing fees and standard petroleum 
>product
> > > > consumption.   Basically, I could have just gone out and bought a 
>new
> > > > jetta with some extras on it- maybe even the wolfsburg if I haggled
> > > > right.  I expected to be in the teens but not the high teens.  This
> > > > brings me to wonder how many others are acutely aware of how deep 
>they
> > > > are into their rocc projects (singular, per car tally)?
> > > >
> > > > At this point im asking myself what the hell im doing and why? I 
>mean I
> > > > love cars- but im dumping money into a vehicle that can be had for 
>the
> > > > cost of a nice vacuum cleaner. And, im thinking I should have maybe
> > > > jumped into a project that would actually pay for itself like a 
>70-71
> > > > cuda 340 or 440 sixpack.
> > > >
> > > > So the question stands: How much and why- to my fellow listers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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