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allyn's twin



i basically decided that i could build 2 ecu's for much cheaper than buying 2 complete engine mgmt
systems. also of note is that current engine mgmt isnt capable of my demands (synchronization of 2
engines). After that decision there was pretty much 0 further effort spent on researching other
systems.
Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: allyn's twin


> interesting. what other options did you look at for engine management, and
> why not use 'em? as a looooong term project, i'd like to turbo what i got,
> and i'd like to see what options are out there.
> -m
>
> >From: Allyn <amalventano1@comcast.net>
>
> >Mike,
> >
> >I am in fact going with dsm turbos (starting with ported 16g's for now
> >(already got em), will go
> >higher if need be). dsm turbos are very good as far as going up scale with
> >the existing bolt-up
> >technique. you can get a very large turbo in there using the same flanges.
> >This is especially good
> >since i'm making the flanges myself and dont plan on making them more than
> >once (x2 over).
> >
> >Electronics: the ENTIRE system will be built by yours truly. The only stuff
> >im not making are the
> >actuators/sensors/injectors. Basically anything electronic in the system
> >will be made ala-big al.
> >
> >Also keep in mind that im still developing the engine mgmt, it is yet to
> >be. That will probably be
> >the last thing to go on the twin.
> >
> >Al
> >
> >Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN
> >87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
> >86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
> >87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original clutch,
> >driveshafts, wheels :)
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Abatzis" <abatzis2@hotmail.com>
> >To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:14 PM
> >Subject: allyn's twin
> >
> >
> > > allyn, i'm sure you've been through this before, but what did you use
> >for
> > > the turbo/electronics? and, something else that's surely been discussed,
> >how
> > > hard would it be to use a turbo from another make, saab, volvo, audi,
> >DSM,
> > > toyota, etc?
> > > -m
> > >
> > > >From: Allyn <amalventano1@comcast.net>
> > >
> > > >Rieger:
> > > >
> > > >Congratulations - this auction successfully ended
> > > >Item Title : Volkswagen : 16v Scirocco (Item# 580545590)
> > > >Final Price : $4,851.00
> > > >Auction Ended At : Apr-23-01 12:49:54 PDT
> > > >Total number of bids : 33
> > > >
> > > >Almost everything else came from ready spares (sciroccos #4 and 5), Big
> > > >Macs old ride (rip), and a
> > > >~$600 order from the potterpeople a while back. The only other things
> >as of
> > > >late are the original
> > > >17's for the rieger ($700) and the hella u.s. h3/h4 lights ($40).
> > > >
> > > >Twin:
> > > >
> > > >     I am keeping a good tally on the twin so far, unfortunately it
> >will
> > > >take a year to complete.
> > > >So far i've spent $1950 total (that includes parts to pick up at cincy
> >and
> > > >tools bought so far),
> > > >that got me the car, another donor, both engines, both turbos, and a
> > > >trailer to boot. I still have
> > > >to get about half of the necessary tools (probably ~1k), and i will
> > > >probably expend another ~$1700
> > > >in raw materials (including engine rebuild/frame rebuild pieces parts).
> >The
> > > >only way i can pull off
> > > >with the relative cheapness of the whole thing is that i'm buying many
> > > >tools that the average joe
> > > >doesnt have (air compressor, many air tools, welder, pipe bender,
> >press,
> > > >paint sprayer, etc), and i
> > > >will be doing nearly 100% of all labor in-house.
> > > >     As it stands right now im looking to be right at the $5k mark on
> > > >expendatures. If i decide to go
> > > >with quaifes thats gonna take me over the $5k mark, but i hope to make
> >alot
> > > >of that back on selling
> > > >all the extra stuff off when both projects are complete.
> > > >
> > > >Side effects of the project:
> > > >
> > > >- rieger gets a 2.0 (it was in the $100 donor car for the twin)
> > > >- much practice with physics models (calculating frame stress for twin)
> > > >- i learn how to build said frame, weld, etc
> > > >- i get mucho experience at port/polish/debur/other engine stuff
> > > >- several tranny rebuilds (even more experience)
> > > >- get to flex my electronic knowledge/muscle on a very big project, as
> >the
> > > >twin will be almost
> > > >completely fly by wire and have very little factory electronics left
> >("i
> > > >love it when a plan comes
> > > >together").
> > > >
> > > >******brace yourself******
> > > >
> > > >- enough cumulative knowledge/experience such that when the twin is
> >done,
> > > >dropping a mid mounted
> > > >twin turbo w12 in the rieger will be a drop in the bucket.
> > > >
> > > >*brief pause for dust to settle*
> > > >
> > > >Allyn Malventano, ETC(SS), USN (insane in the membrane)
> > > >87 Rieger GTO Scirocco 16v (daily driver, 170k, rocco #6)
> > > >86 Kamei Twin 16V Turbo Scirocco GTX ('it has begun', rocco #7)
> > > >87 Jetta 8v Wolfsburg 2dr (daily driver, 260k, 0 rattles, original
> >clutch,
> > > >driveshafts, wheels :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Mike Blain" <rept@qwest.net>
> > > >To: <scirocco-L@scirocco.org>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:17 AM
> > > >Subject: Financial tally on our cars!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I just did a solid tally on the expenditures of tuning my car in the
> > > > > three years Ive had it.  It includes everything spent from initial
> > > > > purchase excluding state lisencing fees and standard petroleum
> >product
> > > > > consumption.   Basically, I could have just gone out and bought a
> >new
> > > > > jetta with some extras on it- maybe even the wolfsburg if I haggled
> > > > > right.  I expected to be in the teens but not the high teens.  This
> > > > > brings me to wonder how many others are acutely aware of how deep
> >they
> > > > > are into their rocc projects (singular, per car tally)?
> > > > >
> > > > > At this point im asking myself what the hell im doing and why? I
> >mean I
> > > > > love cars- but im dumping money into a vehicle that can be had for
> >the
> > > > > cost of a nice vacuum cleaner. And, im thinking I should have maybe
> > > > > jumped into a project that would actually pay for itself like a
> >70-71
> > > > > cuda 340 or 440 sixpack.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the question stands: How much and why- to my fellow listers.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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