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yes relays can and will/have done that. overheated printed circuits AWA cold 
welds etc. can easily lead to intermittent operation.



Chris DeLong
ICQ#45030867
Seattle, WA USA
'80 16V 'Rocco ragtop
'91 GLi 2.0 16V
'77 Rabbit 16V
'80 'Vert (parting out!)
'61 17 Window type II
'91 Vanagon
'78 Rabbit
'84 Jetta





>From: Ryan H <rhock99@epix.net>
>To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
>Subject: Re: Is this possible as my problem?
>Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 23:33:35 -0500
>
>Can a fuel pump relay go in and out of limbo like that?
>Relays are pretty simple, I would think it would just die... But I may be 
>converting to the Euro CIS soon, so if it's my Jetronic box, that will 
>solve it.
>
> >
> > From: "S. Coleman" <deadbolt@mindspring.com>
> > Date: 2002/12/18 Wed PM 11:43:32 EST
> > To: "Scirocco List" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Subject: Re: Re: Is this possible as my problem?
> >
> > Here is my thought.  You are either losing spark or fuel.  Fuel pump 
>relay would be my first thought.  Dizzy pick up (aka Hall sender) inside 
>the dizzy would be my second guess.  Is there oil inside your dizzy cap?  
>Better yet,... is the black plug on the dizzy dangling around outside its 
>little "slot"?  Last thought,.. which is what happened to my black 16v,... 
>the fuel box(ecu) was crapping out once it got warm .... replaced it and 
>never had the problem again.
> > Let us know what else you find..
>


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here is my thought.&nbsp; You are either losing 
spark or fuel.&nbsp; Fuel pump relay would be my&nbsp;first thought.&nbsp; Dizzy 
pick up (aka Hall sender) inside the dizzy would be my second guess.&nbsp; Is 
there oil inside your dizzy cap?&nbsp; Better yet,... is the black plug on the 
dizzy dangling around outside its little "slot"?&nbsp; Last thought,.. which is 
what happened to my black 16v,... the fuel box(ecu) was crapping out once it got 
warm .... replaced it and never had the problem again.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Let us know what else you find..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>'88 16v Rocco&nbsp; <BR>'78 8v Rocco<BR>'80 
Caddy<BR>'92 SLC<BR>'02 337 1.8T<BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=rhock99@epix.net href="mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>Ryan H</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
  href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:07 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Re: Is this possible as my 
  problem?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Larry, did it work afterwords, though?&nbsp; Once I came to a 
  stop, she fired right back up and ran fine for a few minutes, then went back 
  into the usual limp-mode.<BR>As for the knock sensor, new knock sensor, 
  cleaned connections, swapped knock box from a different 16V... no 
  fixes.<BR>So, although it sounds like the knock system, everything there is 
  ok.&nbsp; The only thing I need to confirm is that if there was a problem with 
  fuel, would it pull timing, or just stutter/stall?<BR><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; From: 
  "L F" &lt;rocco16v@netzero.net&gt;<BR>&gt; Date: 2002/12/18 Wed PM 10:31:53 
  EST<BR>&gt; To: "Ryan H" &lt;rhock99@epix.net&gt;, <BR>&gt; 
  &lt;scirocco-l@scirocco.org&gt;<BR>&gt; Subject: Re: Is this possible as my 
  problem?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Fuel pump relay?&nbsp; This same thing happened to 
  the MkI the second day we had it.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Larry<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  ----- Original Message ----- <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Ryan H 
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: 
  Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:08 PM<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: Is this 
  possible as my problem?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; My 16V, which 
  likes to run in limp-mode most of the time, took a real shit the other 
  night... It lost power while I was driving it like usual (feels like when you 
  switch on the AC, only much more abrupt).&nbsp; SO I downshifted and gave it 
  throttle... NOTHING, not even a noise. (Lights were still on as if engine was 
  NOT stalled.)&nbsp; Downshifted again, and it just stalled as I rolled to a 
  stop.<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; So, could it be a fuel related problem - like 
  something clogging a line somewhere, then floating away (when power comes 
  back, or when I shut the car off).&nbsp; There is no stuttering to my car, the 
  timing just gets pulled.&nbsp; Would a fuel clog cause my timing to be pulled 
  - I thought it would just make the car stutter???<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
  <BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
  _______________________________________________<BR>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Scirocco-l 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Fuel pump relay?&nbsp; This same thing happened 
  to the MkI the second day we had it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Larry</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=rhock99@epix.net href="mailto:rhock99@epix.net";>Ryan H</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=scirocco-l@scirocco.org 
    href="mailto:scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 18, 2002 7:08 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Is this possible as my 
    problem?</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>My 16V, which likes to run in limp-mode most of the time, 
    took a real shit the other night... It lost power while I was driving it 
    like usual (feels like when you switch on the AC, only much more 
    abrupt).&nbsp; SO I downshifted and gave it throttle... NOTHING, not even a 
    noise. (Lights were still on as if engine was NOT stalled.)&nbsp; 
    Downshifted again, and it just stalled as I rolled to a stop.<BR>So, could 
    it be a fuel related problem - like something clogging a line somewhere, 
    then floating away (when power comes back, or when I shut the car 
    off).&nbsp; There is no stuttering to my car, the timing just gets 
    pulled.&nbsp; Would a fuel clog cause my timing to be pulled - I thought it 
    would just make the car 
    stutter???<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Scirocco-l 
    mailing list<BR><A 
    href="mailto:Scirocco-l@scirocco.org";>Scirocco-l@scirocco.org</A><BR><A 
    href="http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l";>http://neubayern.net/mailman/listinfo/scirocco-l</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>



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