web site ideas? support? Mirror?

[amalventano1@comcast.net (Allyn)]

the dsm guys have done the best i've seen so far as far as collaborating info:
http://www.vfaq.com/index-main.html
something like this for vw's would rock, but who knows if it would ever happen.
Al

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Toomasson" <jtoomasson@yahoo.com>
To: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <pbureau@attbi.com>; "Brett Van Sprewenburg" <brett@netacc.net>
Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: web site ideas? support? Mirror?


> (Collective Sigh....)
> 
> Gentlemen - I can see many others' points about unifying (or trying to
> anyway) a location where anyone can find anything tech-related. I, for one,
> have also hunted high and low looking for valuable bits of tech (you should
> see my "favorites" folder on IE - I have a "scirocco stuff" folder that goes
> on for days)
> 
> I can somewhat sympathize with Patrick though - though not
> sharing/mirroring/whatever-webspeak-I-don't-know ;) may seem kinda contrary
> to what we're about, he's invested a lot of time and effort in his site and
> it's a great resource. He should be proud of it and get the credit he
> deservers. (boy, this is a sticky one I don't like touching (eww, that
> sounded gross...). As should you, Brett (not the touching part.... :p   )
> 
> (and now the proposed solution)
> can't the .org site list Patrick's home page and a list of his tech notes?
> Patrick usually announces when he posts a new note anyway. You could update
> the .org according to those posts...Or even more simply (though less
> effective) "if you don't find it here, check [insert link here]"...wait,
> that sucks...
> 
> Maybe there should be more policing (?) of the links in the .org (sorry
> Brett - hell, I'll volunteer) if there's concern over dead links...
> 
> I don't know what other fair way there is.....
> 
> Whatever comes out of this, I just want to give kudos/props to you both -
> never be reluctant to ask the list for assistance. I sure I speak for a lot
> of us when I say that we you both quite a bit!
> 
> Have a good weekend everyone!
> 
> Jeff
> _______
> 
> '86.5 Scirocco 16v 2.0 (roc #5)
> '84 Rabbit Convertible (cabby #2)
> '00 4-Runner sport pkg.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ATS - Patrick Bureau" <pbureau@attbi.com>
> To: "Brett Van Sprewenburg" <brett@netacc.net>
> Cc: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 4:24 PM
> Subject: web site ideas? support? Mirror?
> 
> 
> > I understand, I really do, what you are attempting to do is "get help for
> > the .org site", and rest assured I am honored by the request of me,
> working
> > it, but the fact is , I have enough work with my web site and TST web site
> > plus another one I host for wife and lastly one private horse farm on my
> > server.
> >
> > I really don't have the extra time to manage yet another "section" of web
> > site, I would love to help but I cannot take honestly this job.
> >
> > My Tech notes never change Directory structure.. I would be shooting
> myself
> > in the foot if I did, I change looks and other sections , but the tech
> > section has been structure the same way for 2 years now. Yeah I realize
> the
> > index page might be disorganized, I just have not had enough free time to
> > make a cute interface with a pull down menu...
> >
> > The idea behind my tech notes is to close the technical gap I have seen
> for
> > years in groups such has scirocco.org, the missing link of a geek with a
> > mechanics book, trying to figure out what the hell the book is saying.
> Yeah
> > changing pads and rotors is "mundane" but the week I put that tech note up
> I
> > got 12 email thanking me for it.. (grin) Yeah I do it for the attention,
> no
> > seriously I do it because of my brother (long story).
> >
> > But I am always improving my details or pictures and information, soon I
> > will have a 2L 3a/JH Hybrid tech note from the start to the end... 300+
> > pictures expected with numerous subsets for the various components that
> need
> > to look at while doing such a conversion (from removing engine, through
> > rebuilding block to reinstalling it all together.  Creating tech notes is
> > very time consuming, just taking pictures and notes of pictures while
> trying
> > to repair/fix/mod my own cars, not to mention creating the web context for
> > it afterwards, and unfortunately time is not something I have much off. (I
> > still have technote pending from 2 months ago..)
> >
> > There will be a mirror site of my tech notes, translated in German, the
> > Munich Scirocco Group, requested a complete download of all tech notes
> last
> > month, and they will be translating them into German and posting (with
> link
> > to my web site in "links section") it on their Club Web page by end of
> year.
> > (that is a lot of work), and the arrangement I had with them is, its your
> > web site, you deal with it, I provide data, I don't manage it.
> >
> > I'll admit I' m kind of a Frenchman jerk off, everyone and their dog know
> > about my web site, I constantly publish a relevant tech note when a
> question
> > in email is requested, and  my site has been up for years now.
> >
> > I really don't want to manage "mirrors" (I gave in to the Germans because
> it
> > was flattering to see all my tech notes being used in Germany for helping
> > support another group with the data (not to mention that the web master
> and
> > club member was persistent about this for 3 months before I gave in), and
> > managing does includes "transferring updates", and since I don't like
> > external users on my box on ftp, I am not keen on "pulling data".  so...
> >
> > The solution of a simple " changing front pads and rotors " (for example)
> > selector bar, calling the tech note from my web site to your page (I can
> > even change my schemes to make it transparent to users) is the simple
> > solution here, low maintenance for you, all I need for me is when I put a
> > new technote p, is to email you with the link, and if my web site is down
> > when the page is requested, it will simply display a 404 Error message. If
> > you want the data, I can send it to you, be forewarned the tech note
> section
> > is over 50 MB large at this point.
> >
> > Beside if all my tech notes are on scirocco.org then why would I run a web
> > server for? why don't I take over scirocco.org? (grin) [commentator - I
> > can't believe he opened that can of worms!!! OMG!]
> >
> > lets keep talking about this here, perhaps talking about possibilities
> here
> > might convince others that might have the time to help to do so.
> >
> > I would love to, but I just can't manage it, sorry.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >     __  __________
> >    /  |/_ __/ ___/ Patrick Bureau
> >   //| | / / \__ \  1985 8v Prowler Orange "Beatrice"
> >  / _  |/ / ___/ /  1985 8v Titian Red "Lucky"
> > /_/ |_/_/ /____/   http://www.longcoeur.com/scirocco
> >
> > =>-----Original Message-----
> > =>From: Brett Van Sprewenburg [mailto:brett@netacc.net]
> > =>Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:06 AM
> > =>To: pbureau@attbi.com
> > =>Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > =>Subject: Re: Is there a write-up for this? (was: 134a conversion
> > =>update)-venturing OT...
> > =>>
> > =>
> > =>
> > =>Ah, you have misunderstood what I was talking about.  What
> > =>I was suggesting is that you actually PUT content ON the
> > =>scirocco.org machine / host.  It can be a mirror of what  you
> > =>are hosting on your own site, a subset, or even a superset if
> > =>you were so inclined.  You (or people like you that wanted to
> > =>contribute like this) would be responsible for putting the proper
> > =>content into the scirocco.org tech section, or FAQ area.  Do you
> > =>get my drift here? :)
> > =>
> > =>Your site was only 'unavailable' more then twice this year if I
> > =>remember correctly (note remember correctly), but once (or twice?)
> > =>it could only be accessed via an IP address instead of a name,
> > =>which would naturally have broken all linked material also.  I'm not
> > =>trying to debate how 'hearty' anybody's particular site is, I'm just
> > =>using some examples as to why I do not really like just linking to
> > =>other peoples content...soooo sooo many have come and gone,
> > =>moved, gone down, changed linking / URLs / content or what-ever,
> > =>that it's generally not worth the hassle or administration for content.
> > =>Just linking to a site at the 'top' level though is another thing
> > =>entirely,
> > =>which is what the more generic 'Links' section on scirocco.org is for.
> > =>I am really tired of being dependent on other peoples hardware and
> > =>bandwidth to run our system...note how many times our mail service
> > =>has been interrupted this year.... :/  It would be especially
> troublesome
> > =>to have to police the site content areas as well as the links section.
> > =>
> > =>Anyway, the real point here is that I'm asking if you'd like to help
> > =>administer the tech section within the scirocco.org site by mirroring
> > =>what you've put up on your own (or a portion of it).  You seem to have
> > =>real energy around even documenting what many might consider even
> > =>the mundane. :-)  We can work out the details of this offline though,
> > =>whether you'd like to or not, how the transfers could happen,
> > =>editing, etc.
> > =>
> > =>Thanks.
> > =>
> > =>==Brett
> > =>
> > => \/  '84 Scirocco (ITB racer 2B) | "Hot VW's, take two home.
> > =>They're small"
> > =>\/\/ '88 Scirocco 16v (Show), '92 Passat 16v (Winter+) | -
> > =>brett@netacc.net
> > =>
> >
> >
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