RE: Anyone replace their lug bolts with studs and nuts?

["Aaron Ness" <aaron@makuta.com>]

When I was racing solar-powered cars in college, we were required to have at
least two threads protruding from every nut on every critical fastener, such
as suspension, etc.

Aaron
'87 528e
'82 Scirocco
'70 Beetle
'82 GPz550


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> [mailto:owner-scirocco-l@scirocco.org]On Behalf Of Fry, Larry
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 10:15 AM
> To: Dave Ewing; Scirocco List
> Subject: RE: Anyone replace their lug bolts with studs and nuts?
>
>
> Dave-
>   Long studs are required by many race sanctioning bodies for
> this reason
> only:  they want to be able to see a certain number of stud threads
> protruding past the lug nut so the tech inspectors can easily
> verify that
> the nut has 100+% engagement on that stud.  (It would be very
> time-consuming
> to verify a particular amount of thread engagement on a car's
> 20 bolts) This
> is so some idiot won't try to get away with fasteners that
> are so short that
> only two or three threads are carrying the load.  It's a
> safety thing, not a
> slam on bolts.
>
> Larry  sandiego16V
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Ewing [mailto:rabbit16v@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 3:36 PM
> To: Scirocco List
> Subject: Re: Anyone replace their lug bolts with studs and nuts?
>
>
> Sorry to hear about your back.  I am currently out of work
> because of an on
> the job back injury.
>
> The only reason I mentioned the strength of studs is that you
> see studs
> (long studs) on the rear of a lot of drag cars (rear wheel drive with
> slicks).  I assumed this was for strength but didn't know for
> sure.  In my
> last post I didn't say they were stronger only questioned if
> they were or
> not.
>
> Second, why is it so difficult for you to install your
> wheels?  I know if
> you have aftermarket wheels they will not line up with the
> holes because the
> center hole is larger than the edge on the hub but if you buy
> the centering
> pieces that you are suppose to have for aftermarket wheels it
> is just like
> installing a factory wheel.  Once you put the wheel on the
> hub edge and
> apply a small amount of pressure to keep it flat on the hub,
> you just turn
> the wheel to line up the hole and install the bottom lug bolt
> in first as
> tight as you can with your fingers then you can let go of the
> wheel and
> install the rest.  Compare that with studs:  install wheel and apply
> pressure until you have the botton lug nut as tight as
> possible with you
> fingers then install the rest.
>
> D.  IF you do install studs, you WILL have more problems if
> you are trying
> to be easier on your back.  I have had alot more problems
> with the stud kits
> (even on my VW Bug which do not have anything to help you
> align the wheel)
> than the lug bolts by far.  And, if you are pulling your
> wheels off on a
> regular basis, studs are not going to help your back problems
> but instead
> make it worse.  I just uninstalled a stud set on a friends
> car and he HATED
> them almost as much as I did.  The ONLY way I would install
> studs is if I
> had to use some kind of super thick spacer and racing wheels
> or something
> where there were no other options.  HTH!!
>
> Dave
>
> > --- Chris DeLong <green536@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Studs break and wheels fall off. Hows that for a downside?
> >
> > Let's see...how many million American cars were made,
> nearly all with
> > studs, nearly all with more weight and power, and have I
> *ever* heard
> > of a stud breaking, causing a wheel to fall off?  Not once.
> >
> > > >WHY!!  Why would you want to use studs?
> >
> > I've got a pathetically bad back, even after recent
> surgery.  Holding a
> > wheel against the hub, trying to spin it into place, and
> then thread a
> > lug bolt is a GRAND PAIN IN THE ASS.  And in my back too.
> >
> > There is *NO* way anyone can convince me that studs are weaker than
> > bolts.  Tell that to those who put ARP Raceware studs in
> their block to
> > hold the head on.  Tell that to to the engineers who spec studs on
> > intake and exhaust manifolds and downpipes.  Tell that to NASCAR and
> > the 12-second four-tire changes...
> >
> > All using...studs.
> >
> > Now, can anyone else (thanks Larry) tell me where I can get them????
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > "Please don't second-guess-me" Ron
> >
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