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Re: sudden car death (fuel?)



The filter is out and when I jump the relay, no fuel comes out.
I unplug the main pump and still hear the transfer pump.  What
else should I check, the fuel pump sounds like it's working when plugged in,
what happened?

geordy wrote:

> 16v '88 jetta
> 
> I was thinking it'd go toward the back just because that looks more 
> correct
> like a bullet in a gun or something.  (faster than a speeding 
> honda...more powerful
> than a...)
> 
> Eric L Ellis wrote:
> 
>> What kind of car?  16v?  The seam goes toward the front.
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> On Fri, 11 May 2001 00:26:42 -0700 geordy 
>> <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
>> writes:
>> 
>>> I bought a new fuel filter today, no it's not a bosch....
>>> It's a fram, they had it in stock and it was $10 cheaper than
>>> the bosch, I hope no one has a problem with this!
>>> 
>>> Now, my question, are these filters directional or is does
>>> it matter which way I hook it up?  Should the seam face the
>>> front or the rear of the car?
>>> 
>>> Cheapass Ron wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yes, there is a timing mark under the inspection cover
>>>> on the tranny.  there is also a 6 deg mark,  which
>>>> looks like a chisel mark.  Just to the left of that,
>>>> viewed bending over the driver's fender, is a little
>>>> square protrusion (there's also one to the right, a
>>>> little farther away - you want the one to the left). Set the engine 
>>>> there...easier to remove the plugs and
>>>> crank from the 19mm pulley bolt on the front end of
>>>> the crankshaft.  Line that squarish mark up to the
>>>> indicator on the bottom of the inspection hole (you
>>>> have to remove the whole green plug, not just the
>>>> little clear thing in the middle, good luck).   Then
>>>> check the timing mark on the cam...which should be at
>>>> 12:00 and aligned with the little pointer on the inner
>>>> cover.  That should tell you whether the cam timing is
>>>> on or off. 
>>>> AFA the fuel, easiest way to check is with a gauge and
>>>> a double-length banjo bolt...but these are not in
>>>> every garage.  I'd guess the next easiest thing to to
>>>> is remove one injector, preferably all, point it into
>>>> a jar, jumper the fuel pump relay, and lift the
>>>> airflow sensor plate to make sure all spray
>>>> sufficiently...this procedure is in the Bentley.  Cracking loose a 
>>>> fuel line fitting from the filter
>>>> could tell you a little something, or maybe even
>>>> removing the return line to the tank and checking flow
>>>> there...that on 2nd though could be valuable because
>>>> that fuel has already been past the pressure
>>>> regulator.
>>>> 
>>>> You do have a fat spark, right?
>>>> 
>>>> And BTW, you *do* have the Bentley...or at least a
>>>> Haynes...right?  No shit, the Bentley is super
>>>> valuable.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck, let me know how you progress.
>>>> 
>>>> Ron
>>>> 
>>>> --- Geordy Rostad <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Cheapass Ron wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> NOw it's starting to sound like a fuel pump...but
>>>>>> 
>>>>> you
>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTDT, right? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welllll, not exactly, I turn the key, I hear the
>>>>> fuel pump.  Aside from that,
>>>>> I crank the motor and I think I still here the fuel
>>>>> pump.  What is the easy way
>>>>> to check and see if I have actual flow?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can you set it to TDC and see where the
>>>>>> cam mark lines up?  That'll tell you whether your
>>>>>> 
>>>>> cam
>>>>> 
>>>>>> timing is off.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You mean the mark on the timing belt gear on the
>>>>> cam?
>>>>> And see if what lines up?  Is there a mark under
>>>>> that
>>>>> inspection plug on the trans?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> --- Geordy Rostad <grostad@thresholdnetworks.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone thing I may have a fuel problem?  I
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> just
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> replace my injector seals btw.
>>>>>>> Could it be a fuel filter?  Maybe I went over a
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> bump
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and dislodged a grain of muck and clogged
>>>>>>> it?  Could the fuel pump shaft separate from the
>>>>>>> pump mechanism so that it sounds like
>>>>>>> it's spraying fuel but actually not...?   What is
>>>>>>> the easy method to check fuel flow?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I put the new airboot on it almost started
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> and
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> then died so I don't think it's spark
>>>>>>> or timing.  It only does the almost start and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> then
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> die thing after having sat for quite a
>>>>>>> while.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Geordy
>>>>>>> '88 jetta 16v
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> geordy wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I want to replace the t-belt anyways since I
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> have
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> absolutely no idea
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> how long it has been on there.
>>>>>>>> BTW, It died when I hit a bump in the road, my
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> scirocco did the same
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> thing to my brother one
>>>>>>>> time, he hit a bump (or jump) in the road and
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> threw the timing off and
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> it ran shitty all the way home.
>>>>>>>> Mine just died, I wonder what's up...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I put the airbox/intake stuff back together and
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> the car still wouldn't
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> start.  I left all of the other
>>>>>>>> belts off however...  I wouldn't think that
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> would
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> be a problem.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 16v Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Doesn't have to be that huge!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If you were able to see daylight in there, you
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> have about 0 chance
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> that the car will run.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> That's your problem from the sound of it.  Try
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> to
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> start the car with
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> a new one on there before you kill yourself
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> checking the timing belt.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And why you going through so much trouble to
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> check the belt this
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> way?  Couldn't you just have taken the upper
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> cover off without doing
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> all that other shit?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> At 01:17 AM 5/9/01 , Geordy Rostad wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It's not THAT large, but when I removed the
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> pipe
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> between the two
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> boots I saw
>>>>>>>>>> daylight...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Brett Van Sprewenburg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, I have noticed a big tear in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> throttle body air boot.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Just so I can be the first.... :)
>>>>>>>>>>> But this is probably the reason your car
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> won't
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> run, or start, or
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> what-ever...
>>>>>>>>>>> Any tear in the boot is likely to cause
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> running
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> problems, a large
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> one will cause the car not to run at
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> all...probably got your culprit
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>> ==Brett
>>>>>>>>>>> \/  '84 Scirocco (ITB racer 2B) | "Hot VW's,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> take two home. They're
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> small"
>>>>>>>>>>> \/\/ '88 Scirocco 16v (Show), '92 Passat 16v
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> (Winter+) | -
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> brett@netacc.net
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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