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Re: Audio nuts only
Andrew Holmes wrote:
>
> I've been fitting stereos into my own cars for the last 10 years trying to get
> the best sound on my tight budget.
Well Andrew I will speak up once again. There is one way to get great
sound at a very cheap price. Putting 5 1/4" in the stock door locations
(yes they fit with little modification), and the 1" tweet in the outside
air vents. This setup provides amazing sound and is completely stealth,
wich you seem to stress. Plus no door panel cutting is necessary. Only
catch, you must buy a good set of speakers for this.
Next you will want to flush mount a set of 6" speakers in the rear. I
think you know how to do this...build a new decklid with a router
grooved area for the 6"'s to mount then cover them with carpet
completely level with the rest of the decklid. Once again completely
stealth. Also a really good set of speakers is needed. After the
speakers are done, buy a decent 4 channel amp, and you got a hell of a
system with enough thump, thump to hear bass, and GREAT staging. I think
is is what you are looking for.
If you have more of a budget than this, then add to 10" subs in an
enclosed box facing back towards your hatch window. Run this off of a
decent 2 channel amp and you will have all the thump you need. Anyone
else need testemony on the 5 1/4", 1" tweet setup in the front ask Neal
Tovsen.
Any other questions about this set-up, just ask I gots lots of time.
Jody Bailey
> William J Erikson wrote:
>
> > Man! I had no idea this was so scientific. I have two JBL 10" powered
> > off lame amps (you can hear the bass, but no thumping), and two 6x9's
> > (cheap paper-cones, they suck) in the rear deck. Then I have two Boston
> > Acoustic 3.5" in the front for highs. The 6x9's and the 3.5" are powered
> > off my deck. It sounds great to me, really. If I had better amps and
> > better 6x9's I think I'd be satisfied... having the sound come from the
> > back doesn't bother me at all, but I do like to have treble from in front
> > of me. Huh. Maybe I'll get upgrade mania, too. I suppose I'm already
> > halfway there saying I want better amps and better 6x9's.
> > -Josiah
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Jun 1999 15:46:48 +0100 Andrew Holmes <aholmes@chubb.com>
> > writes:
> > >Don't you find that without rear speakers it is very difficult to get
> > >a good
> > >volume/bass combination bearing in mind the front aperture is 6*4
> > >only. I use
> > >custom Pioneer 6*4 midrange and custom 1" Pioneer tweeters running at
> > >80hz + and
> > >40w per channel pure (100wRMS). I found that using just the fronts
> > >would give a
> > >good soundstage but no depth and a lack of bass. If i allow a lower
> > >frequency
> > >say 50hz to run through the fronts then i get depth at the expense of
> > >power
> > >handling as the 6*4 units struggle to deliver any bass/volume
> > >combination and at
> > >motorway speeds (85mph) the bass disappears as the road/wind/engine
> > >noises drown
> > >it completely.
> > >I appreciate the back speakers provide your back seat passengers with
> > >excellent
> > >sound but the purpose of a quality car audio is to balance the sound
> > >against the
> > >deficiences of the enviroment (a steel box not being the best acoustic
> > >platform)
> > >so ideally you should centre the sound and imaging approxiamately
> > >above the
> > >gearstick/slightly to your front and to do this including a reasonable
> > >(not
> > >neceesarily thumping) bass will require the back speakers.
> > >You are quite correct about the hatch creating a "megaphone" effect as
> > >my JBL
> > >6*9's can if i provoke them quite comfortably match my friends twin
> > >10"
> > >Rockfords in a box in the back of his 325i but i generally like to end
> > >my
> > >journey without my ears bleeding and ringing.
> > >However if you are careful in selecting your components, use decent
> > >cabling
> > >(this is very important and can make a huge difference) and are
> > >prepared to
> > >spend time on a careful installation and setup then you can obtain a
> > >very high
> > >quality sound without resorting to subs.
> > >In my humble opinion this can be acheived with the minimum of
> > >Head Unit
> > >4 channel amp(with built in crossover)
> > >4 quality speakers
> > >Good quality interconnect and speaker cables
> > >
> > >Lastly if you are running your'e power directly from the battery do
> > >put an in
> > >line fuse on the cable as close to the battery as possible (mine is
> > >strapped to
> > >the battery) which will probably save you a lot of cash in the event
> > >of you
> > >making an error on installation or a short within the set up.
> > >
> > >Please note all of the above is based on my personal experience with a
> > >UK spec
> > >vehicle and may or may not be applicable to US or other specs.
> > >I hope some of the above gives some background info which maybe useful
> > >but a
> > >word of warning. Once you start upgrading the in car audio you are
> > >taking the
> > >first step on a path where every upgrade will show up the weakest link
> > >in your
> > >system thus prompting another upgrade and so on and so forth
> > >
> > >Enjoy
> > >Andy
> > >91 Scala 8v
> > >
> > >
> > >Mike wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well as far as the ba ck speakers get rid of them...a good system
> > >only
> > >> eliminates sounds from behind you anyways...I like to think of it
> > >this
> > >> way...Where do you hear voices from? In front of you right? Well
> > >every
> > >> single voice you hear from the back you wil have to over power from
> > >the
> > >> front. So why have rear? Only reason to ever have rear is if you
> > >have an
> > >> audiance in the back. Actually another reason would be if you were
> > >goig to
> > >> add a center channel but it does not look like you are about to do
> > >that. If
> > >> you don't want thump stay away from a sub altogether. I think a good
> > >set of
> > >> speakers up front will help your sound alot but I am not sure how
> > >you are
> > >> going to avoid thump. Our cars have whats refurred to as a megaphone
> > >affect
> > >> with the rear hatch reflecting alot of sound off of the glass and
> > >actually
> > >> enhancing the sound pressure forward in the cab which makes any
> > >bass
> > >> produced from te rear sound like thump. I have had people ask me
> > >what size
> > >> subs I had me when I only had part of my system installed in my car
> > >(4,5 1/4
> > >> Mb Quarts in the rear deck before I knew better than to put them
> > >there).
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: Brad Sterling <bgsterling@earthlink.net>
> > >> To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 12:21 PM
> > >> Subject: RE: Audio nuts only
> > >>
> > >> > As long as this is a thread for newbie questions...
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm wanting to add a small subwoofer and amp to the stock system
> > >in my 16V
> > >> > for a little for power (unh! Unh! Unh! (in your best Tim Allen
> > >voice)).
> > >> > From my research, it sounds like I need a 4 channel amp with low
> > >level
> > >> > inputs (so I can connect the speaker wires in) and low/high
> > >crossovers.
> > >> > The idea is send the front speaker wires into the amp, two
> > >channels out
> > >> > through a low filter to the front speakers and two channels
> > >bridged
> > >> through
> > >> > a high filter to the subwoofer. The end result should be the
> > >front
> > >> > speakers handle the midrange/treble duties and the subwoofer
> > >handle the
> > >> > bass. Actually, now that I put this in writing, what do I do with
> > >the
> > >> rear
> > >> > speakers? If I connect them to the same channels as the front
> > >speakers, I
> > >> > lose fader function and if I connect them to the subwoofer
> > >channels, I'll
> > >> > have the wrong filter in place. Okay, I give up. How can I put
> > >some more
> > >> > power through the stock system without creating a car that thumps?
> > > Should
> > >> > I just get an amplified bass tube and some inline low filters for
> > >the
> > >> > speakers?
> > >> >
> > >> > -Brad
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: William J Erikson [SMTP:williamjosiah@juno.com]
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 12:25 PM
> > >> > To: CAPTIANBR@aol.com
> > >> > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > >> > Subject: Re: Audio nuts only
> > >> >
> > >> > I'd say your best bet is to get an amp that has a built-in
> > >crossover and
> > >> > is bridgeable. Crossovers filter out certain frequencies. Most
> > >> > bridegeable amps with built-in crossovers and designed to be used
> > >with
> > >> > one subwoofer, like you're planning on doing, so their crossovers
> > >filter
> > >> > out high frequencies and send only the low frequencies to the
> > >subwoofer.
> > >> > Bridgeable means you can send both channels, mono, to one
> > >subwoofer.
> > >> > Usually it's done by hooking the speaker to R- and L+ or something
> > >like
> > >> > that - it varies. Some have a "bridged" switch, like my POS
> > >Legacy.
> > >> > Anyone have any opinions on Legacy, BTW? I bought one brand new
> > >for $80
> > >> > and it worked great while it worked. 300W (150RMS), bridegeable,
> > >built-in
> > >> > crossover, hey, sounded great. It died, but I guess that was
> > >because I
> > >> > mounted it to my rear deck and my speakers were mounted there
> > >too.
> > >> > Someone told me this will kill an amp. Yes? No? Sounds quite
> > >plausible to
> > >> > me - vibration and all.
> > >> > HTH! (I don't know that much about audio either, really)
> > >> > -Josiah
> > >> > '84 GTI
> > >> > '87 QSW
> > >> > '86 Golf
> > >> > http://bork.hampshire.edu
> > >> > self-employed VW mech
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:29:28 EDT CAPTIANBR@aol.com writes:
> > >> > >I have just inherited a JBL 12" subwoofer and box. But I don't no
> > >what
> > >> > >type
> > >> > >of amp to get for it or how to hook it up in the rocco. I
> > >currently
> > >> > >have six
> > >> > >speakers off of a Clarion CD player. JBL componants in the front
> > >and
> > >> > >pioneer
> > >> > >5 1/4 in the rear. But I also have two rca outputs that are not
> > >being
> > >> > >used,
> > >> > >Shoud I use these for the subwoofer? What is a crossover and do
> > >I
> > >> > >need it?
> > >> > >As you can tell I don't have much experience with audio besides
> > >> > >changing
> > >> > >speakers. I have two rca's but only one subwoofer how will this
> > >work.
> > >> > >Thanks
> > >> > >in advance for any help.
> > >> > >
> > >> > >Brian 86 16v
> > >> > >
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