Re: Need your advise here!

[bpotter@ptdprolog.net]

AFAIK a manually adjustable clutch cable will not work with the 16V
engine...Its not long enough because the airbox is in the way.  If you have
routed the cable under the airbox, that might be the reason why its making
noise.  The angle of the cable might be to severe.  The self-adjusting cable is
about 10"-12" longer than the manual adjusting and should be routed over the
airbox down to the clutch lever.  The cable then passes through the clutch
lever and is held in place(or anchored) by a rectangular rubber grommet about
1cm thick along with (2) metal clip/plates that fit into each other and prevent
the cable from sliping back through the clutch lever.
The self adjusting cable is spring loaded and has a rubber boot that covers
it.  Attached to the boot is a plastic strap with (1) hole at each of the two
ends.  Compress the spring/boot with your hands while trying to hook the
plastic strap holes onto the top portion of the spring housing.  There will be
two small plastic hooks that the plastic strap holes hook onto.  This allows
the spring to be fully compressed and the cable to be at its longest length
while giving enough play in the cable to install it through the clutch lever.
I hope this isn't to confusing.  Feel free to ask any questions if this
explanation is not clear enough.  HTH.

Brian Potter
88 Scirocco 16V
98 Audi A4Q

Joel Leclerc wrote:

> I do have a 16v, and the clutch cable is not self adjustable,
> but 10 days ago I went to a garage, and he did check my clutch
> cable and told me that there is no loose at all, so he adjust it
> to give a little loose (maybe this is the ~5mm he did adjust there)
> So the cable is ok for the adjustment.
>
> Could be a problem like you say, sometime it work fine
> (happen less now) sometime sound like I'm not pushing the clutch
> at all.
>
> If I change the clutch, should put a different clutch (better)
> or just a normal sash clutch (16v 210mm)?
>
> Joel
> 87 16v
>
> Jonas Karlsson wrote:
> >
> > You might be OK, you might not.  The problem could be your clutch cable.
> > It could have stretched to the point where it is not moving enough to
> > disengage the clutch.
> >
> > Check it. Try to lift up the clutch lever on the tranny, If you can lift
> > it up more than ~5mm then it needs to be adjusted. You have a 16v right?
> > I think they usually came with self-adjusting cables. They have a big
> > ol' rubber thing covering where they join up to the tranny. You can't
> > adjust these, so if it's worn out, it needs to be replaced.  If the
> > clutch cable has some nuts that you can see where it joins the tranny,
> > then it is manually adjustable, and you can try to adjust it.
> >
> > If your clutch cable is not stretched, then I'd say your pressure plate
> > is jammed. I had a spring break on a clutch plate and one of the little
> > coils lodged itself behind the pressure plate, preventing the clutch
> > from disengaging.
> >
> > You are right, it does not sound like your clutch is worn out, but if you
> > are going to drop the tranny, then you might as well get everything in
> > there replaced so you don't have to do it again. Included in the clutch
> > kit is the clutch plate, pressure plate, thrust plate, retaining ring,
> > install tool, and i think some tranny seals. everything you need.
> >
> > feel free to ask any other questions
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Jonas
> > 85 Scirocco
> > Joel Leclerc wrote:
> > >To give more info on it, well it looks sometime exactly like if
> > >the
> > >clutch does not move out from it's place, I mean sometime I push
> > >the
> > >clutch to remove from gear and it's feel like I did not push the
> > >clutch when I shift to another gear, it's more often when I'm
> > >in the reverse gear, like the sound when your in reverse don't
> > >stop even if I did push the clutch but stop when I remove shifter
> > >from the reverse gear to go in neutral!
> > >The reverse does that since long time ago, but now it happen
> > >in other gear, and it's getting bad. Sometime it's like if I did
> > >not
> > >push the clutch before I shift a gear in, like in 2nd I have to
> > >pull
> > >very hard on the shifter so it goes in the gear, and makes that
> > >terrible noise :(
> > >
> > >But I don't feel the clutch disk is worn out! I'm normally not
> > >hard
> > >on clutch disk.
> > >
> > >So what could be the problem? I had the price for changing the
> > >clutch. Clutch kit (250$ US, original from the dealer) and
> > >250$ for labour. What include a clutch kit?
> > >
> > >
> > >Joel
> > >
> > >Jonas Karlsson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Well, the clutch problems can be caused by things other than a
> > >worn out clutch disk. The components that part-take in the whole
> > >mechanism are:
> > >>
> > >> Clutch pedal, clutch cable, throwout bearing, clutch pushrod,
> > >pressure plate, and clutch disk.
> > >> To replace/check the pressure plate and/or clutch disk the
> > >entire tranny must be taken out of the car. This is a big job and
> > >takes about the 5 hours that the shop charges.
> > >> So it is logical to check all of the components not requiring
> > >tranny removal before anything else.
> > >> The main part is the clutch cable, these can get stretched or
> > >break their mounting places. The trowout bearing and clutch
> > >pushrod also can get worn out, but less common. You have to
> > >remove the "end cover" on the tranny to get to them. It is the
> > >round green plate accessible from the driver's side wheel well.
> > >> What exactly are your symptoms. Difficulty shifting? Like the
> > >clutch not disengaging? Please give more info.
> > >>
> > >> HTH
> > >>
> > >> Jonas
> > >> 85 Scirocco
> > >>
> > >> Joel Leclerc wrote:
> > >> >Well I thought about changing it myself, but I'm not equiped
> > >> >to do it, and second if I have done it by a garage, if he is
> > >> >telling me that this is really the problem and still having
> > >> >the problem after I can go back and tell him the problem still
> > >> >there. But he must know what he's telling me, so the chances
> > >> >are that the clutch is finished.
> > >> >
> > >> >Question here! How could I know myself if the clutch is
> > >finished?
> > >> >Any test I could do myself, because I don't feel any slippy
> > >> >clutch when I shift... Must be hard to tell me how to check
> > >that
> > >> >I guess!!!
> > >> >
> > >> >Joel
> > >> >87 16v
> > >> >
> > >
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