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Re: Don't buy GAS {slightly rocco related}
Dude, that kicks ass... I'm going to move to Austin! I've always wanted a
natural gas powered VW. And our cars take really well to it, to - evidently
you don't lose much, if any power. Like I said before, there was a dude at
Mt. Washington this year running a propane-powered Rabbit, and he said he
got MORE power than stock, and he hadn't been inside the engine at all.
-Josiah
Mark Mages wrote:
> OK - I'm having way too much fun playing the Devil's
> Advocate here...
>
> I'm not sure how gasoline taxation works across the
> pond, but here (theoretically) the taxes go to highway
> maintenance. Don't like gas taxes? Yah it's a lot,
> but you need roads to drive on...
>
> power - hydro-electric, nuclear (yah, I know)
> Mass Transit - electrical (subway) or Hydrogen
> powered - some cities already have hydrogen powered
> busses, the only emission they give off is in the form
> of distilled water... saw some news clip with a mayor
> drinking a glass of the bus' exhaust :)
>
> As far as the comfort & convenience, well, there are a
> whole lot of societal issues that have to be rectified
> before anyone can feel safe riding a mass-transit
> system.
>
> And on another note - I know the rocco is a
> "performance" vehicle, but has anyone looked into
> natural gas conversions for any vehicle? In Austin,
> TX the city will pay to convert your engine to natural
> gas consupmtion, plus you will get a tax break for
> driving an "alternatively fueled" vehicle.
>
> Yah, I know we are captive, but we are the only people
> that can change that.
>
> --- Andrew Holmes <aholmes@chubb.com> wrote:
> > According to todays Financial Times (14th April)
> > Unleaded Gasoline is being traded on the world
> > markets at 52.25cents a US gallon or $161-165 a
> > tonne and Crude Oil (NYMEX) at $16.72 a
> > barrel (Don't know how many gallons to barrel).
> >
> > 95Ron unleaded at the pump is approx 71p ($1.13) a
> > litre and 98Ron is 84p ($1.34) a litre in the UK
> > giving imperial gallon prices (dont know the
> > conversion to US gallons) of roughly
> > $5.13 and $6.08 respectively.
> >
> > Spare a thought for me as my Rocco requires 98Ron
> > super unleaded to run properly unless i wish to
> > spend between £250-£500($400-$800) on a proper
> > conversion to run 95Ron (without losing
> > 30-40hp)
> > The average cost of filling my tank is £35 ($56) of
> > which between 80-85% goes to taxman.
> >
> > Perhaps we should all have electric vehicles but
> > where does the power for these come from. Power
> > Stations is your answer but i reckon they use as
> > much fossil fuel and pollute by volume
> > of fuel used just as much as the car but
> > enviromentalists never seem to mention this. What
> > about public transport but the same propulsion
> > problems are there so the answer has to be
> > increasing effcient propulsion systems (such as the
> > 100mpg engine that VW and others are working
> > on).However until there are viable, reliable and
> > easy alternatives that go from your door
> > to your destination in comfort, safety and quickly
> > whenever you want which also guarantee you a seat,
> > allow you to listen to your own music (at whatever
> > volume), have personal
> > heating/cooling controls and importantly to me allow
> > me to have a cigarette the car will dominate.
> >
> > At the end of the day we're a captive market because
> > without gas we ain't going anywhere fast.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> > Mark Mages wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah - and let's start dumping toxic waste in the
> > > water just to piss them off!
> > >
> > > You know that's why they put flouride in the water
> > > supply don't you? It decreases personal
> > willpower.
> > >
> > > Seriously tho, you don't think that a 70 year old
> > > technology could stand some revamping? How many
> > steam
> > > locomotives do you still see running around? I
> > mean,
> > > for the last 15 years we have known that our
> > pollution
> > > was REALLY screwing up the planet yet what have we
> > > done to try and cut that down? We have started
> > the
> > > SUV craze.
> > >
> > > You don't think urban growth has been adversely
> > > affected? I have to spend 30 minutes driving 5
> > miles
> > > in to work in the morning. The inner-cities have
> > > become unsafe places to live because as soon as
> > people
> > > could afford cars they moved into the suburbs,
> > leaving
> > > the cities to rot from the inside out.
> > >
> > > You don't think air-quality has been affected?
> > The
> > > last time I saw a sun-set that wasn;t brown I had
> > to
> > > drive over 1000 miles to get there. Oh, but let's
> > all
> > > blame the smokers for the massive increase in lung
> > > cancer rates... it couldn't be our cars causing
> > that!
> > > It must be the person that was smoking 10ft away
> > from
> > > me in the bar...
> > >
> > > God forbid people start riding bicycles to work -
> > what
> > > are they thinking using the most cost & energy
> > > efficient form of transportation available today?
> > > I'll just run them down & then say that they
> > jumped in
> > > front of my car.. .and I'll win.
> > >
> > > And those damn recycled products... Hey - we
> > should
> > > just start dumping all our trash in the national
> > > parks.. I mean, what a waste of land - just set
> > aside
> > > for people to enjoy when they want to escape the
> > > hell-holes that we have created to live in.
> > Christ,
> > > that's prime dumping ground if you ask me! We
> > shoud
> > > strip mine it all before we start duming though,
> > so we
> > > have enough raw materials to last us another 10
> > years.
> > >
> > > I mean, I know this is a car-oriented group (90%
> > of
> > > the time) but you, I must say, at the risk of
> > being
> > > thoroughly flamed, are totally nuts.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > > 87 Westy
> > > 84 8v Rocco
> > > 98 Rockhopper
> > >
> > > Damn liberal bastards... I'm gonna go fry me up a
> > > spotted owl for dinner... extra crispy
> > >
> > > --- McReynolds <sigmac@portland.quik.com> wrote:
> > > > Colleagues of your "anti-car bastards" are doing
> > > > their best here, too.
> > > > They cry about how the automobile has ruined
> > > > landscapes and cityscapes, how
> > > > the evil auto has adversely affected urban
> > growth in
> > > > America and lessened
> > > > air quality. They seem to forget how much the
> > > > automobile has increased our
> > > > productivity in the last 70 years, opened so
> > many
> > > > doors of opportunity for
> > > > us, as well as contributed to our sense of
> > > > independence, which we have
> > > > treasured so much in the US. But here lies the
> > very
> > > > root of the issue:
> > > > socialistic, environmentalist policy-makers do
> > not
> > > > wish to see our
> > > > independence continue to flourish. They'd
> > rather
> > > > see us huddled together
> > > > in our quaint, well-planned cities, accepting
> > what
> > > > is handed us, getting
> > > > about on our bicycles, and using more costly
> > > > "recycled" products. In
> > > > short, a society of people much easier to
> > contain,
> > > > in the end.
> > > >
> > > > So, I cringe when I hear folks making statements
> > > > about how petroleum
> > > > product prices should be raised to lessen their
> > use.
> > > > My face turns red
> > > > with anger when I hear liberal statements about
> > > > marketing electric cars,
> > > > mandating even stricter emissions' controls or
> > > > improving suburban transit
> > > > (i.e., making it the only practical mode of
> > > > transportation). There are
> > > > some who would make us feel bad for using any
> > > > resources whatsoever.
> > > > Resources were put here for us to use, albeit
> > > > wisely. We should not be
> > > > made to feel guilty about it, nor should their
> > use
> > > > be restricted to the
> > > > point where none of us benefits from them. So
> > what
> > > > is next? If we are not
> > > > considering only what is good for the
> > environment,
> > > > will we be the black
> > > > sheep? And later, will we be made to feel bad
> > about
> > > > our very independence?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, I won't. This whole discussion makes me
> > want
> > > > to get into my car, and
> > > > go for a drive. I want to feel the wind in my
> > hair,
> > > > the pulsing of pistons
> > > > at my breast, and watch the scenery wash by me
> > as if
> > > > time has stood still
> > > > and I'm the only thing going forward.
> > > >
> > > > That is a freedom only a driver can know, a
> > freedom
> > > > incarnate. Quite
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
> ===
> Mark
>
> 87 Westfalia Gl
> 84 Scirocco 8v
>
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