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Freeze 12 A/C recharge kit \ A/C question

Subject: Freeze 12 A/C recharge kit \ A/C question
From: amalventano1 at tds.net (Allyn)
Date: Sun Jul 8 12:14:16 2007
In-reply-to: <040801c7c167$e4dbc9b0$030fa8c0@FAMILY>
References: <20070708030702.LRER1482.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <040801c7c167$e4dbc9b0$030fa8c0@FAMILY>

I've used nothing but the off-the-shelf retrofit kits, that have some sort of 'conversion oil' that prevents the 134a from attacking
the standard seals.  I have never changed any seals over to the 134a specific parts, and have never had any leaking issues even
after 5+ years on a retrofit kit.

HTH
Al 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Blue [mailto:sukchew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 9:57 AM
> To: David Utley; 'Brian Haygood'; 'Nate Mellom'
> Cc: 'Scirocco list'
> Subject: Re: Freeze 12 A/C recharge kit \ A/C question
> 
>    Freeze-12 is 20%142b and 80%134a. There are several types 
> of R-12 substitutes that contain several types of 
> refrigerants such as 22,  124 , 142, 134 ,Butane and various 
> other things.If freeze 12 is 80% R134 why not go ahead and 
> convert to R134.I have seen several conversions that have 
> consisted of changing the fittings running a vacuum and 
> putting in 134.They seem to be working okay.You might have to 
> play with the charge amounts some.I think that you should 
> only charge 80% of the R-12 charge amounts.
>    Good luck
> ole blue
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Utley" <fahrvergnugen@xxxxxxx>
> To: "'David Utley'" <fahrvergnugen@xxxxxxx>; "'Brian Haygood'" 
> <brianhaygood@xxxxxxxxx>; "'Nate Mellom'" <doubt@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "'Scirocco list'" <scirocco-l@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Freeze 12 A/C recharge kit \ A/C question
> 
> 
> > Ah, Freeze 12 is 70-90% R134, and therefore damn near just 
> as bad as R134.
> > Look up the MSDS for both R134, and Freeze 12.  
> Tetrafluoroethane is 
> > -the- ingredient for R134, so Freeze 12 is just as bad...
> >
> > Might I suggest DuraCool?  http://accesscnc.com/BasicQuest.html
> >
> > Have a read.  Apparently, the lobbyists in some states have 
> outlawed 
> > the use of this stuff, positing it is dangerous.  If 20 oz of 
> > hydrocarbons in the AC system is dangerous, perhaps we 
> should outlaw 
> > carrying more than a gallow of gasoline?!  [/rant]
> >
> > Anyways, I believe this stuff to be superior to anything else 
> > available, even R12.  If you were to fill an originally 
> R134 system, 
> > you would only need 85% Duracool for the amount of R134.
> >
> > Sorry, I can't remember if I recommended Freeze 12 in the 
> first place, 
> > I have just been reminded why it is a bad choice.  Sorry for the 
> > confusion if any.
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Utley [mailto:fahrvergnugen@xxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:39 PM
> > To: 'Brian Haygood'; 'Nate Mellom'
> > Cc: 'Scirocco list'
> > Subject: RE: Freeze 12 A/C recharge kit \ A/C question
> >
> > Mechanic friend said Freeze 12 is bad news, but I can't 
> recall why.  
> > His cell phone is down, so give me some time to get the 
> answer for you...
> >
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Haygood [mailto:brianhaygood@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 5:12 PM
> > To: Nate Mellom
> > Cc: Scirocco list
> > Subject: Re: Freeze 12 A/C recharge kit \ A/C question
> >
> > Where can you get the Freeze 12 stuff?  R-134a stuff was 
> easy, but the
> > R-12
> > replacement stuff is supposed to cool better, so I was 
> going to try it.
> >
> > On 7/3/07, Nate Mellom <doubt@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone ever use the Freeze 12 kit?  Looks like it's a direct 
> >> replacement for R12 (not an R132A conversion), and kits look to be 
> >> reasonable.  I'd like to get the A/C working on my '88, 
> and I don't 
> >> really want to put a lot into an R132A conversion.
> >>
> >> Speaking of, I'm looking to do a R132A recharge on a 
> couple cars in 
> >> the driveway, I've been doing some research, looks to be pretty 
> >> simple and idiot-proof.  I'd get a complete kit, with 
> guage, refrigerant, etc.
> >> Looking for any BTDTs for reference.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Nate
> >>
> >>
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- Freeze 12 A/C recharge kit \ A/C question
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