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16v w/ turbo
Now that sounds like some good winter reading. Where was this
suggestion when I was giving out the Xmas list of books I wanted?
Well, at least I got the two important Bentley's. This is the next
purchase, I guess.
On 1/4/07, C Boyko <roccit_53@scirocco.cs.uoguelph.ca> wrote:
> There are those who will save their dollars and just drop the car off at a
> shop for a 1.8T conversion, that's another option, not one I'd be able to
> do, but I'm sure it's been done many times. The two problems there being
> the money part (but going fast will cost money no matter how you do it) and
> the real problem is finding a shop that's not going to do a hack job on it.
> The plus side of that is you could take it to any VW shop and they'd know
> what it was (more or less) for diagnostics.
> There's a book called "Maximium Boost" (by some publisher called Bentley,
> LOL) that's suggested reading for those wanting turbo info. It covers a lot
> of basics, and may not be a bad read for you anyway, since you are driving
> a turbo'd car now!
> Cathy
>
> On 8:20 pm 01/03/07 " Jeff Toomasson " <area53@validpath.com> wrote:
> > As Dan said earlier, Mike - search the Vortex for "junkyard turbo" or
> > "$500 turbo". You can do it pretty decently if you pay attention. The
> > only thing you might have trouble with from a cost standpoint is the
> > manifold and DP which you don't appear to have the skills to do
> > yourself....
> >
> > One thing I want to point out is that your CIS-E is terrible for
> > forced induction on its own - possibly the worst of all the CIS
> > setups. Check Peter Tong's threads about his CIS ventures.
> >
> > Regardless of what you decide to do, don't plead w/ Dan to spoon-feed
> > you. Just READ. :)
> >
> > > So, let's consider putting turbo on the PL and running 10 psi.
> > > What would need to be done internally, etc to make sure that the
> > > engine would run with no problems and last a while. I don't want
> > > to go big nor do I want to be replacing stuff because it can't
> > > handle it.
> > > Also, at this point, please don't think I'm planning on going out
> > > and purchasing supplies and making this happen now. This is all
> > > just speculation in order to help me understand what can be done
> > > and decide which I way I eventually want to go. Thanks for the
> > > info, Dan.
> > > On 1/3/07, Dan Bubb <jdbubb@verizon.net> wrote:
> > >> There are lots of ways you can go with a turbo.
> > >> You can leave the engine internally stock, run limited boost, use
> > >> your stock CIS and count on your stock knock sensor to prevent
> > >> detonation from killing your engine. The boost would be pretty
> > >> limited, but even 4-5 psi would make your Scirocco faster than
> > >> your GTI. You can find some way to lower the CR, double head
> > >> gaskets, 16V head on an 8V block, forged lower CR pistons, then
> > >> run more boost simply because with the lower CR the engine will
> > >> be less likely to detonate. Then you can start adding more
> > >> sophisticated engine controls. MSD boost retard doesn't give you
> > much control, but seems to work pretty well. Programmable engine
> > >> management gives you as much control as you'll need but you need
> > >> to know how to tune, and/or have the tools to tune it. Having
> > >> better engine controls will let you run more boost. Adding things
> > >> like intercoolers or water injection or running race
> > >> gas/toluene/octane booster will all let you run more boost for a
> > >> given engine specification.
> > >> If you want big power you have to have an appropriate CR and the
> > >> engine controls to go with it. If you want a little boost you can
> > >> get away with the infamous Vortex "I turboed my engine for $500".
> > >> Dan
> > >> From: "Mike Smith" <smithma7@gmail.com>
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:51 PM
> > >> Subject: 16v w/ turbo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > With all this talk of 16v heads and blocks and 8v varieties of
> > >> > both in 3 or 4 different threads, I'm getting a little confused
> > >> > trying to follow it all.
> > >> >
> > >> > Given:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1) I like 16v engines
> > >> > 2) I really like the turbo on Bib
> > >> > 3) I like the idea of Megasquirt (as well as Spark)
> > >> > 4) I like thinking about bringing all 3 together somehow but am
> > >> > clueless :).
> > >> >
> > >> > Given the above, what would be the optimum set-up for a 16v
> > >> > turbo application in Red? (Is that a vague enough question?)
> > >> > As far as type of performance: I'm not looking to really race
> > >> > it or anything; just decent street performance while still
> > >> > being able to tickle to butt dyno and wow passengers.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Mike
> > >> > '86 red 16v: Red 5 (aka der Jahrtausendfeierfalke)
> > >> > '05 Indigo Blue GTI 1.8T: Bib
> > >> > "The world is my oyster soup kitchen floor wax museum." - King
> > >> > Crimson
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mike
> > > '86 red 16v: Red 5 (aka der Jahrtausendfeierfalke)
> > > '05 Indigo Blue GTI 1.8T: Bib
> > > "The world is my oyster soup kitchen floor wax museum." - King
> > > Crimson
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Mike
'86 red 16v: Red 5 (aka der Jahrtausendfeierfalke)
'05 Indigo Blue GTI 1.8T: Bib
"The world is my oyster soup kitchen floor wax museum." - King Crimson