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OT: Oil companies



Pssst, Dan.... 

*puts hand to talk behind* It's projection.    :D

David

Dan Bubb wrote:
> Quite frankly for somebody that seems to think fighting any issue is pointless, you're sure spending alot of time disagreeing with this issue.
> So, have it your way.
> OTOH why should you feel the need to attribute childish actions ("no matter how much you stomp your feet") to my arguments?
> I think a lot of your statements are wrong, but it's got no value to me to pursue it any further when I get that sort of response and considering how far afield and all encompassing the reply is.
> I know some other people that argue just to argue.
> I'm going to pass.
> Dan
>
> From: "Spewey" <spewey@comcast.net>
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Oil companies
>
>
>   
>> 1 Fighting Chavez with your wallet is pointless.  Are you really afraid 
>> that we couldn't whoop his ass with one hand tied behind Iraq even if he 
>> has 1 million AK-47s?  Or are we losing in Iraq because the population 
>> is armed?  We already tried to sponsor two coups and it only made him 
>> stronger.  Boycotting Citgo hurts good ol' Americans more than 
>> Venezuelans and in no way affects the price of gas even if they 
>> completely disappear.
>>
>> 2 Sour crude does not make high sulfur diesel, it just needs to be 
>> refined in a different way.  A way that we will need more of once the 
>> light sweet starts running low as it is right now.  Refining capacity is 
>> critical to keeping gas prices down.  Any hit on the Gulf Coast proves 
>> that.  An American advocating the closure of Citgo refineries or sour 
>> crude refineries is cutting off his nose to spite his gas tank.  A 
>> refinery needs to be in a useful place (oil in, pipeline out) and who 
>> owns it matters little.
>>
>> 3 Venezuela's heavy crude is so heavy it's almost impossible to suck out 
>> of the ground.  If you count the unsuckable as reserves, they have way 
>> more oil than anyone.  Regular heavy crude is something else and worth 
>> less everywhere because it makes less gas.  Lots of places have heavy or 
>> sour crude besides Venezuela.
>>
>> 4 The more expensive oil you buy from abroad, the more money they get. 
>> Johnny Dubai gets tired of gold chains and wants our ports, some F-16s, 
>> or what the hey, how about Boeing?  All these regimes are getting rich 
>> not because you buy gas at a particular station but simply because you 
>> buy gas.  Johnny Jihad has noticed that this is your achilles heel no 
>> matter what kind of towel, turban, or sombrero he wears.
>>
>> 5 For a smart guy you are as nutty as Chavez sometimes.  You are talking 
>> about a global commodity no matter how much you stomp your feet about 
>> his company.
>>
>> ***
>>
>> "For one thing, although Citgo may be owned by Petr?leos de Venezuela, 
>> it is a formerly American company which is still headquartered in the 
>> U.S. (in Houston, Texas), employs 4,000 people, and supplies 14,000 
>> independent retailers with gasoline and other petroleum products ? 
>> Americans with no substantive connection to Venezuela who would be 
>> economically harmed by such an action. And, of course, as long as the 
>> global demand for oil exceeds supply, Citgo's products will continue to 
>> find buyers whether or not they're purchased by Americans."
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/citgo.asp
>>
>> "A boycott of a couple of brands of gasoline won't result in lower 
>> overall prices. Prices at all the non-boycotted outlets would rise due 
>> to the temporarily limited supply and increased demand, making the 
>> original prices look cheap by comparison. The shunned outlets could then 
>> make a killing by offering gasoline at its "normal" (i.e., pre-boycott) 
>> price or by selling off their output to the non-boycotted companies, who 
>> will need the extra supply to meet demand. The only person who really 
>> gets hurt in this proposed scheme is the service station operator, who 
>> has almost no control over the price of gasoline."
>>
>> http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp
>>
>> "Since supertankers cannot pass through the Panama Canal, the journey to 
>> Asia is long and expensive. For now, Venezuela exports only about 
>> 300,000 barrels of oil per day to China."
>>
>> http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/5/22/165318/469
>>
>> "Here's the crux of the problem for gasoline consumers and oil 
>> companies: There's just not enough light sweet crude to meet demand. 
>> And, while there's plenty of heavy sour crude, a barrel of heavy sour 
>> crude yields about a third less gasoline than does a barrel of sweet 
>> light crude. That's if you can refine it to begin with..."
>>
>> http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/7/18/9456/93641
>>
>> "Refinery capacity figures are thousand bbl per day. Percentages are of 
>> the ~17mbpd total US operable refining capacity figure used in the EIA 
>> weekly reports."
>>
>> http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2005/9/22/11010/0013
>>
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