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my mk1 won't start

Subject: my mk1 won't start
From: nlowe79 at gmail.com (Nate Lowe)
Date: Wed Jul 12 06:51:28 2006
In-reply-to: <W3932215334200401152639441@webmail6>
References: <W3932215334200401152639441@webmail6>
The "hiccup" when starting seems to have left. I think I'll just go ahead
and replace the power/ground plug for the solenoid near the firewall that
Peter mentioned and call it fixed. If it starts having trouble again I'll
look into the starter and ignition switch further.
Thanks for all the help everyone!


On 7/11/06, julie@menloparkrandd.com <julie@menloparkrandd.com> wrote:
>
>  Pull the starter. With it secured on a bench or on the ground short the 2
> terminals. The solenoid MIGHT be frozen.
>
> If it runs, then don't run it for too long.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Nate Lowe [mailto:nlowe79@gmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 12:20 PM
> >To: peter@thescirocco.com
> >Cc: 'Scirocco List'
> >Subject: Re: Re: my mk1 won't start
> >
> >Ok, I'm back in town and monkeyed with the car last night some. I cleaned
> up
> >the connectors to the solenoid and cleaned up all my grounds (even though
> >they didn't look like they needed it). I tried to get to the connection
> by
> >the firewall, but the connector wouldn't come apart and it was getting
> dark
> >so I skipped it for now. I also can't get any measurements while starting
> >since I'm going solo on this.
> >
> >I havn't had the car not start since then (tried it a few times), but
> >sometimes I get a half second pause where the lights are on but nothing
> >happens before it starts to crank. So I think the next step is to replace
> >that connector Peter mentioned. Is there any reason to keep that plug
> there
> >rather than just doing a permanent connection?
> >
> >
> >On 7/7/06, Peter <peter@thescirocco.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> How much power do you have at the solenoid, when you try to start it?
> >>
> >> Check the solenoid wire connection right by the firewall...
> >> It's a spade terminal connection, that usually corrodes, it can be cut
> out
> >> of the way, and connected back together with a butt connector. Just
> follow
> >> the wire from the solenoid, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
> >> It could also be the ignition switch, or starter...
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter-302.832.8989
> >> http://thescirocco.com/
> >>
> >> Please! Include the previous text in your reply...
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Nate Lowe [mailto:nlowe79@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:34 PM
> >> To: julie@menloparkrandd.com
> >> Cc: Scirocco List
> >> Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: my mk1 won't start
> >>
> >> I plan on doing that first since I'm really hoping that's all it is.
> I'll
> >> probably just clean and crimp all the connections to the starter and
> >> solenoid to be sure I didn't miss anything.
> >>
> >> To address your suggestions in case that doesn't work though.
> >> I'll check voltages at all the wires running to the solenoid and the
> >> starter. I'm assuming the fat one direct to the starter from the pos
> >> battery
> >> terminal should be 12V (obviously) and the others should be what? The
> >> Bentley says 7V for terminal 50, I'm assuming that's the quick connect
> on
> >> the solenoid. If cleaning the connections doesn't work I'll check the
> >> voltages and report back.
> >> Also, is
> >> this<
> >> http://www.germanautoparts.com/Volkswagen/Scirocco/EngineElectrical/197
> >> /1>the
> >> permanent magnet starter you're reccommending? I'm sure it's nice, but
> for
> >> $142.22+shipping I'll definately try and rule out wiring first ;)
> >>
> >> I'm going to be away for the rest of the weekend and can't keep working
> on
> >> the car, but at least I know a couple ways to get it started and get me
> to
> >> work on Monday. I'll clean things up and check voltages if necessary
> then
> >> and report back. Thanks for all the help!
> >> Nate
> >>
> >> On 7/6/06, julie@menloparkrandd.com <julie@menloparkrandd.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Dan wrote the blow:
> >> >
> >> > Ohh, ohhh. Try this. I've done it my self the night before the trip
> to
> >> > Cincy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >To be just a little more clear there is a ~1/8" diameter red wire
> >> > >that
> >> > has a
> >> > >quick connnect spade lug on the end of the starter solenoid. This is
> >> > >the wire that goes to the starter position of the ignition switch.
> >> > >i.e. it provides the current to pull in the solenoid and power the
> >> starter motor.
> >> > >Pull the quick connect off of the solenoid, crimp it just a bit with
> >> > >a
> >> > pair
> >> > >of pliers and reinstall on the solenoid.
> >> > >Worked for me 7 years ago.
> >> > >Dan
> >> > >
> >> > >From: <julie@menloparkrandd.com>
> >> > >Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:31 PM
> >> > >Subject: Re: my mk1 won't start
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >> There is a heavy gauge wire on a slip on spade. Short this to the
> >> > >> cable
> >> > of
> >> > >> the battery connector.
> >> > >> Umm. Make sure the tranny is in neutral ok?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> >> > >>>From: Nate Lowe [mailto:nlowe79@gmail.com]
> >> > >>>Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2006 06:47 PM
> >> > >>>To: 'Scirocco List'
> >> > >>>Subject: my mk1 won't start
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>Help!
> >> > >>>My car won't start under its own power. When I turn the key to the
> >> > start
> >> > >>>position, all the lights come on nice and bright and the voltmeter
> >> > reads
> >> > >>>12V, nothing else happens. No clicks, no starter spinning,
> nothing.
> >> > >>>I
> >> > got
> >> > >>>it
> >> > >>>to start at work by getting a couple guys to push my and then
> >> > >>>dumping
> >> > the
> >> > >>>clutch. It ran fine after that, but as soon as I shut it off at my
> >> > >>>apartment the same thing happened when I tried to start it again.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>I did some searching in my repair manuals, and it looks like it's
> >> > either
> >> > >>>the
> >> > >>>solenoid, the ignition switch, or the wiring between the two. I'm
> >> > supposed
> >> > >>>to bridge starter terminals 30 and 50, but I'm not sure where
> >> > >>>exactly those are.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>>Any other ideas for things to check if this doesn't work are also
> >> > welcome.
> >> > >>>TIA
> >> > >>>Nate
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