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front cross member bar - ripoff?



I put a chipped 1.8T into my rocco and built a brace similar to that one for 
the front crossmember. All my other motor mounts are still stock. I put in a 
poly front mount and poly inserts in the side with a heavy Duty rear mount. 
Nothing has been cracking or braking.

I hope this helps.

Kevin


>From: "raveracer77" <raveracer77@yahoo.ca>
>To: "Don Walter" <dswalterwi@gmail.com>
>CC: Scirocco List <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
>Subject: Re: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:09:26 -0700
>
>
>     Am I right in assuming that this is the weak point everyone talks 
>about when you get an A1 chassis up over 200hp?  I'm about to get started 
>on my Rocco Racer project and I need to do some research into how the motor 
>mounts hold up under that kind of stress.  I've got my PL motor and 2Y 
>tranny sitting on the ground in front of the car, I need to pull the wiring 
>harness out of the GTI but I haven't figured out how I'm going to plug the 
>Digi 2 into this motor yet.  Also I haven't even started ripping this 8V 
>motor out of the car.  Anyone need an FN tranny in really good shape?  I'll 
>ask again once I get it out.  The thing I need to know is do I need to do 
>some creative welding to strengthen the other motor mounts or will this 
>Black Forest beam solve most of those problems?
>
>       Rave Racer
>Currently:
>NEW!!  91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
>'81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2
>
>'89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
>'87 Audi 4000 Quattro
>  http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
>'72 Triumph GT6
>  
>http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/50-50-111014_20raveracer-gt6-1.jpg
>
>http://spaces.msn.com/raveracer77/photos/
>http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer
>___________________________________________
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Don Walter
>   To: raveracer77
>   Cc: Eric S ; Scirocco List
>   Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 07:34 PM
>   Subject: Re: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>
>
>   My son and I are working on a design for his.  It will use the same 
>principle but be a bit different.
>
>
>   On 12/11/06, raveracer77 <raveracer77@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>        I want one.  Would you want to go back to making them again, or 
>should I look into this Black Forest one?
>
>          Rave Racer
>     Currently:
>     NEW!!  91 Jetta GLI 2.0L 16V
>     '81 Scirocco Mk1 1.8L 8V Digifant 2
>
>     '89 Jetta GTX 1.8L 16V
>     '87 Audi 4000 Quattro
>     http://www.audifans.com/registry/view.php?action=viewCar&carid=110
>     '72 Triumph GT6
>     
>http://www.triumphowners.com/uploaded/34/50-50-111014_20raveracer-gt6-1.jpg
>
>     http://spaces.msn.com/raveracer77/photos/
>     http://www.myspace.com/rave_racer
>     ___________________________________________
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Eric S
>     To: David Winchell, II
>     Cc: 'Scirocco List'
>     Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 07:02 AM
>     Subject: RE: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>
>
>
>     Yep, that was me...honestly, its not like I patented it or anything, 
>and I
>     quit making them some time ago.
>
>     This bar does most closely resemble my design, looks like it would do 
>the
>     job!
>
>     --
>     Eric
>     www.vintagewatercooleds.com
>
>     1981 Scirocco S (TDI swap project)
>     1990 Fox Wagon 1.6 Heron Head 8v
>     1991 Cabriolet (2.0 crossflow 8v project)
>
>
>     David Winchell, II said:
>     > It was Eric S.  And it does look just like his with the exception of 
>the
>     > powder coating. IIRC, Eric was letting someone else from the vortex 
>make
>     > them after he stopped.
>     >
>     > I'm sure Eric will post about it and give more details...
>     >
>     > Dave
>     >
>     > David Winchell, II
>     > 84 Scirocco BBS Turbo
>     > 79 Callaway Scirocco
>     > 04 .:R32 DBP
>     > 04 Mini Cooper S
>     > 00 Silverado
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: julie@menloparkrandd.com [mailto:julie@menloparkrandd.com]
>     > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 6:46 AM
>     > To: Nate Lowe; Scirocco List
>     > Subject: Re: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>     >
>     > Scott Rose IIRC. This thing is identical. After all of his hard work
>     > too...
>     >
>     >>-----Original Message-----
>     >>From: Nate Lowe [mailto:nlowe79@gmail.com ]
>     >>Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 10:28 PM
>     >>To: 'Scirocco List'
>     >>Subject: front cross member bar - ripoff?
>     >>
>     >>I remember the front cross member bar that was made either by a 
>lister or
>     >>someone on vortex (or both?) that was used to give support to stop
>     > cracking.
>     >>Well, I came across this today:
>     >>http://store.blackforestindustries.com/mkicrrebar.html which looks a 
>hell
>     > of
>     >>a lot like the bar that was being sold before. I don't remember who
>     >> exactly
>     >>designed that bar, but if they didn't authorize its design then I'm 
>sure
>     >>they'd like to know about this. Hopefully this is all me just being 
>out
>     >> of
>     >>the loop about what happened with that bar's design, but I figured 
>better
>     >>safe than sorry.
>     >>Nate
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>   Don Walter - Waukesha, WI
>   1986 8V Black Scirocco (Daily Driver)
>   1984 8V Audi 4000s (RIP 2/14/2006)
>   1986 2.0L 16V TEC 2 Black Scirocco (see progress at 
>http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/708939)
>   1986 2L 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (Ben's Car)
>   1988 1.8 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (sold on 3/29/04)
>   1984 1.8 8V Pewter Scirocco (sold years ago)
>   1971 Karman Ghia (sold)
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