Vintage Rubber Website - Seals for your Scirocco!

[ccarpen at earthlink.net (Cris Carpenter)]

Allow me to clarify as well.

I appreciate and applaud Randy's efforts. I wish his venture well. If he 
had a finished product that had been in the marketplace long enough for 
quality issues to get sorted out and the rear quarter glass seals were not 
available anywhere else, and if I was not in a situation where my seals 
were so bad that that I needed to stop driving my car. I would have gladly 
bought them from him. As it was, he did not have any, and I could wait no 
longer.

I'm sure Randy will do fine regardless of other potential sources for some 
of this stuff. I'm also sure that VW of Germany has a limited remaining 
supply of any of this stuff. For all I know, I bought the last pair. I'm 
also sure there will be some items Randy won't make that some Scirocco 
owners would like to find at least some source for, and that some Scirocco 
owners would only want to go with factory parts regardless, and that others 
would only want to buy new rubber that is not potentially ten years old, 
and....

This forum is for Scirocco owners to help each other find out what choices 
they have for their sometimes expensive hobby. To you that may mean 
supporting this one guy's efforts. To me, it means letting everyone know 
that there may be other choices out there in addition to this one guy. To 
me, that access to information and resources is one of the potential 
strengths of the internet, and indeed democracy and capitalism. In my 
business, if clients choose to go with a different company, it is not 
personal (at least I hope it isn't). I can choose to get upset and blast 
the person who showed them they had choices, or I can step back and decide 
if the reason they chose to go with someone else is something I should pay 
more attention to or not.

I have been involved with this list off-and-on for almost as long as it has 
been around. I appreciate what you are trying to say, Dan, but I still 
would want to let Scirocco owners know about all of their choices.

Cris

At 07:42 AM 4/13/2006, Dan Bubb wrote:
>Let me rephrase.
>You've just spent over a year creating a product. You've spent thousands 
>of dollars for tooling.
>You announce it to potential customers and somebody else steps in with an 
>announcement like yours.
>How the hell would you feel?
>Julie indicates you have mentioned it before, I didn't notice, but 
>apparently you've already made your announcement and apparently also to 
>little effect.
>If you need to do it again, do it in a separate thread and try to be 
>considerate of the time and effort put into this product by Randy.
>
>
>From: "Cris Carpenter" <ccarpen@earthlink.net>
>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:57 AM
>Subject: Re: Vintage Rubber Website - Seals for your Scirocco!
>
>
> >I have mentioned it before. And you are right, it does sound pissy. Letting
> > the group know about all the options out there could only be viewed as
> > inconsiderate to someone trying to corner a market for themselves and not
> > to those interested helping the group as a whole.
> > Cris
> >
> > At 06:55 AM 4/13/2006, Dan Bubb wrote:
> >>Why that's fascinating!
> >>Why don't you start your own thread instead of undermining Randy's efforts
> >>to provide, from what I've heard, is an excellent product to the Scirocco
> >>community?
> >>Hate to sound pissy, but it is just so inconsiderate to have information
> >>or knowledge of a product and only bring it out when somebody else offers
> >>that information or product.
> >>Dan
> >>
> >>From: "Cris Carpenter" <ccarpen@earthlink.net>
> >>Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 7:28 AM
> >>
> >> > Anyone interested in finding the stock versions, including the rear
> >> quarter
> >> > glass seals, can get them through VW of Germany. They are not cheap but
> >> > they are new originals. Email me for more info on how to get them.
> >> >
> >> > Cris
> >> >
> >> > At 12:43 AM 4/13/2006, you wrote:
> >> >>Message: 10
> >> >>Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 22:55:41 -0700
> >> >>From: Kirsten Jensen <kirsten@funksoulkitty.org>
> >> >>Subject: Vintage Rubber Website - Seals for your Scirocco!
> >> >>To: "scirocco-l-scirocco.org" <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> >> >>Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20060412224339.03f2ae08@mail.funksoulkitty.org>
> >> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> >> >>
> >> >>Well, I finally got the remaining information I was waiting on from 
> Randy
> >> >>and now have put a temporary page up that will allow people to order 
> seals
> >> >>for their cars.
> >> >>
> >> >>http://www.vintagerubber.com
> >> >>
> >> >>So far, Randy has had all of the Mk1 seals made with the exception 
> of the
> >> >>vent window seal.  All of the seals that he has made are currently
> >> >>available (in stock) for purchase except for the rear quarter seals 
> which
> >> >>have gone back to tooling.
> >> >>
> >> >>Randy is also working on making all of the Mk2 seals.  Currently the 
> only
> >> >>seals that are available for purchase are the outer window scrapers 
> and the
> >> >>door seals.
> >> >>
> >> >>The "real website" will be up in the very near future with more useful
> >> >>information and details as well as installation steps etc.
> >> >>
> >> >>Kirsten
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