Can this be said on the list?

[marc_scirocco at sympatico.ca (Mtl-Marc)]

Answers within.

Cheers.

Marc
'83 Scirocco
'97 A4 Q

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De?: Dan Bubb [mailto:dan.bubb@gmail.com]
> Envoy??: 7 septembre 2005 09:48
> ??: Mtl-Marc
> Cc?: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Objet?: Re: Can this be said on the list?
> 
> There's no denying that disc brakes are better than drums. 

That is what I said in the first place. I am saying if you'd like rear disk
brake, and you have some money to spend, then do it. It is a nice upgrade to
have.

> 
> 2. Like it or not, the e-brake mechanism on the A1 caliper is a
> problem. YOU may not have had the problem. Doesn't mean it doesn't
> exist. I've heard of plenty of examples before I even bought a 16V and
> acquired my very own proof. If you want to deny it and say it's my
> opinion feel free! 

I never said I denied it. I said I did not experience this problem. I
suggest you do not distort my writings.

> God will I laugh my ass off when your calipers jam
> and you bitch about the $170 cost of a new one!

Don't forget David's cheap fix. I'll leave you bitching all by yourself,
because I ain't bitching.

> 
> You keep saying they're a nice upgrade to have. Undoubtedly true. But
> they aren't free. As a matter of fact they're pretty damn expensive
> for the improvement you get.

I paid 250$ canadian. Not that expensive.

> 
> My point is not whether discs are better than drums.
> My point is that in this application the improvement is so marginal
> that it's not worth the expense.

It is not worth the expense for you. I and others think differently, and
feel is it worth it.

> My OPINION is that the pedal feel and brake reponse of the 16V front,
> drum rear is better than 16V discs all around. Perhaps a just haven't
> driven a 16V setup that was like new.

There you go. Drive a "16V setup that was like new" and then you'll have
enough knowledge to have yourself a good opinion about rear disks. 

> Dan
> 
> 
> On 9/7/05, Mtl-Marc <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > Answers within.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Marc
> > '83 Scirocco
> > '97 A4 Q
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De: Dan Bubb [mailto:dan.bubb@gmail.com]
> > > Envoy?: 6 septembre 2005 12:01
> > > ?: Mtl-Marc
> > > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > Objet: Re: Can this be said on the list?
> > >
> > > Well, since my input is just an opinion, perhaps just to validate you
> > > input as more than an opinion you can quantify the braking
> > > improvement??
> >
> > This is a well known fact in the automible world. I suggest you do your
> own
> > research if you need numbers.
> >
> > > I didn't say the swap was difficult, it's childs play in my
> > > experience, but it's $400 if you buy new calipers and rotors and if
> > > you don't buy new calipers it won't be long until you have to ;^)
> >
> > Your opinion. My rear calipers are 10+ years old, and they are fine.
> Others
> > may experience earlier failure. I'd say it all depends.
> >
> > Modern cars have rear disks. If you'd rather have drum brakes, then by
> all
> > means, have drum brakes. To each their own. Still rear disk brakes are a
> > nice upgrade to have.
> >
> > > So, please, I'm dying ot hear about your improvement in stopping
> distance.
> > > Dan
> > > Who's apparently now an old fart that drives like a pussy and wouldn't
> > > know good brakes from bad.
> > >
> > > On 9/6/05, Mtl-Marc <marc_scirocco@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That is your opinion, but I swapped to rear disks on my Scirocco
> without
> > > any
> > > > major (or minor) problem.
> > > >
> > > > It is a nice upgrade, well worth it, and anybody who thinks about it
> > > ought
> > > > to do it. This upgrade is more about function than form.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > > '83 Scirocco
> > > > '97 A4 Q