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Help - Clutch release arm not returning - Now the Trans is out

Subject: Help - Clutch release arm not returning - Now the Trans is out
From: dswalterwi at gmail.com (Don Walter)
Date: Mon Sep 5 17:49:09 2005
In-reply-to: <6155f09105090515396041ab31@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6155f091050905143452710399@mail.gmail.com> <20050905222834.OABQ17317.outaamta02.mail.tds.net@MAIN> <6155f09105090515396041ab31@mail.gmail.com>

I uploaded pictures of the pushrod in both positions

On 9/5/05, Don Walter <dswalterwi@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> It is not a piece of metal and the rivet head is intact. IT is rubbery and 
> looks like the top half of an eraser head from a pencil. 
> 
> On 9/5/05, Allyn <amalventano1@tds.net> wrote: 
> > 
> > I wonder how that rivet head came off and worked its way into the 
> > pressure
> > plate assembly... If it was wedged in with the disc at all it could have 
> > 
> > caused the pedal to not release fully (as the clutch itself could not 
> > engage
> > fully).
> > I would check all fingers from the pressure plate, ensuring they all sit
> > even (i.e. the metal piece did not cause any of them to bend). 
> > A quick check regarding the clutch pushrod is easily done with the 
> > reanny
> > off of the car - with the arm fully up, the pushrod should extend ~1/4" 
> > from
> > the end of the input shaft. Actuating the arm should smoothly extend the 
> > 
> > pushrod slightly more than 1/2".
> > HTH
> > Al
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces+amalventano1=tds.net@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto: scirocco-l-bounces+amalventano1=tds.net@scirocco.org] On 
> > Behalf Of
> > > Don Walter
> > > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 5:35 PM
> > > To: Anson Clement 
> > > Cc: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > > Subject: Help - Clutch release arm not returning - Now the Trans is 
> > out
> > >
> > > Okay so I pulled the green cover and the arm was moving and I pried on 
> > it 
> > > to
> > > make sure it wasn't broke. It seemed rigid enough but the piston that 
> > it
> > > is
> > > supposed to push on was not returning back out with the arm motion. It 
> > was
> > > just fully depressed so we pulled the transmission. 
> > > We expected to find a hole in the clutch retaining plate. With the
> > > transmission out the retaining plate looked fine with a small amount 
> > of
> > > wear. IF I push on the rod and work the lever it moves in and out like 
> > it 
> > > should. The only odd thing we found was what appeared to be half of an
> > > eraser head stuck on the clutch plate. I measured the distances of
> > > critical
> > > dimensions and compared them to an old SACHS I have laying around. 
> > > Everything seemed to be fairly close. Would that eraser bit be enough 
> > to
> > > keep the push rod from returning? What else would not be returning the
> > > pushrod back to its rest position??? I hate to put it all back 
> > together 
> > > and
> > > not have it work.
> > > I have included some pictures if anyone can see anything. They do show
> > > the
> > > foreign particle.
> > >
> > > http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/list/ <
> > http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/list/Don_Walte
> > > r/Clutch/>
> > > Don_Walter/Clutch/ <http://scirocco.dhs.org/vw/list/ >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/4/05, Anson Clement <ansonivan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > One of two things... the clutch finger located just
> > > > under the green cap who's purpose in life is to press
> > > > on the throw-out bearing could have split.
> > > >
> > > > Second option, the throw-out rod could have gone right
> > > > through the little throwout plate located against the 
> > > > pressure plate.
> > > >
> > > > The first option is the most common and simplest to
> > > > fix.
> > > >
> > > > Have fun.
> > > >
> > > > Anson
> > > >
> > > > --- Don Walter < dswalterwi@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > After a quick trip to Madison and getting a new
> > > > > Clutch cable form Jim
> > > > > Jarrett and getting it installed with no problems I 
> > > > > am now finding that the
> > > > > release arm is not returning on its own. It seems to
> > > > > have very little
> > > > > pressure when activating it by itself. It only
> > > > > returns about half way then 
> > > > > needs a little push to pop all the way down. It
> > > > > almost just flops up and
> > > > > down. Would this be a broken return spring accessed
> > > > > from the green metal
> > > > > cap? or something else. Where would I get a spring?
> > > > > What else could it be. I
> > > > > did seem to notice before all this that the clutch
> > > > > felt very very light when 
> > > > > pushing on the pedal.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Don Walter - Waukesha, WI
> > > > > 1986 2.0L 16V TEC 2 Black Scirocco (see progress at
> > > > > http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/708939)
> > > > > 1986 2L 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (under repair)
> > > > > 1988 1.8 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (sold on 3/29/04)
> > > > > 1984 1.8 8V Pewter Scirocco (sold years ago) 
> > > > > 1971 Karman Ghia (sold)
> > > > > 1969 Karman Ghia (sold)
> > > > > 1969 Beetle (sold)
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Don Walter - Waukesha, WI 
> > > 1986 2.0L 16V TEC 2 Black Scirocco (see progress at
> > > http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/708939)
> > > 1986 2L 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (under repair) 
> > > 1988 1.8 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (sold on 3/29/04)
> > > 1984 1.8 8V Pewter Scirocco (sold years ago)
> > > 1971 Karman Ghia (sold)
> > > 1969 Karman Ghia (sold)
> > > 1969 Beetle (sold)
> > > _______________________________________________ 
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> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Don Walter - Waukesha, WI
> 1986 2.0L 16V TEC 2 Black Scirocco (see progress at http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/708939 
> )
> 1986 2L 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (under repair)
> 1988 1.8 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (sold on 3/29/04)
> 1984 1.8 8V Pewter Scirocco (sold years ago)
> 1971 Karman Ghia (sold)
> 1969 Karman Ghia (sold)
> 1969 Beetle (sold) 
> 



-- 
Don Walter - Waukesha, WI
1986 2.0L 16V TEC 2 Black Scirocco (see progress at 
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/708939)
1986 2L 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (under repair)
1988 1.8 16V Toronado Red Scirocco (sold on 3/29/04)
1984 1.8 8V Pewter Scirocco (sold years ago)
1971 Karman Ghia (sold)
1969 Karman Ghia (sold)
1969 Beetle (sold)

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