Any one know anything about A/C?

[dagnamit at gmail.com (Brian Wagner)]

I think I am going to try ES12A

http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm

Can be charged at low vacuum or no vacuum, operating pressure is lower
and based on the charts cooling is fantastic. And the key is it is non
corrosive.

On 6/20/05, John Gates <gatesj@mailblocks.com> wrote:
> There has to be some design defect with those or they have been messing
> with their systems, one or the other.  I have a hard time buying that
> R-134a in a properly filled and correctly working system is unreliable
> like that unless there is some design problem.  My F-150 has 175,000
> miles on it and has just about the coldest air I have ever felt and we
> have had several other similar high mileage R-134a cars now and in the
> past with no problems over the life of the vehicle.  Another is my 150k
> mile Jetta, that had bad pulley bearings but that is no fault of the
> refrigerant.  If 134a was corrosive by itself it seems like it would be
> corrosive on all different types of vehicles.
> 
> The average Joe Blow who changes his oil also certainly has the ability
> to go to Wally World and pick up one of those recharge kits or even now
> one of the bottles with the hose right on it, read the instructions on
> the side, screw the connector on and proceed to inject 134a and PAG
> into a system that already has moisture in it.
> 
> Whether or not this is what your ~250 customers did, who knows.  I just
> think it's odd that with the growing easy availability of over the
> counter recharge kits and gas we have growing problems with A/C
> systems....
> 
> JMHO.... :)
> 
> John Gates
> --
> '85 Scirocco
> '97 Jetta GLX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> To: John Gates <gatesj@mailblocks.com>; sukchew@cox-internet.com;
> timjmcconnell@gmail.com; Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:17:44 -0400
> Subject: Re: Re: Any one know anything about A/C?
> 
> 250 times?  I think you over-estimate the ability of our customers'
> abilities...
> 
> 
> My .02,
> 
> David
> >
> > From: John Gates <gatesj@mailblocks.com>
> > Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 11:09:23 EDT
> > To: sukchew@cox-internet.com,  fahrvegnugen@cox.net,
> timjmcconnell@gmail.com,
> Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> > Subject: Re: Any one know anything about A/C?
> >
> > There you go.  If it's set up right.  What people are doing now is
> > going to Wal-Mart and buying recharge kits and recharging leaky
> systems
> > that have moisture in them.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chuck Blue <sukchew@cox-internet.com>
> > To: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>; Timbo
> > <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:52:59 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Any one know anything about A/C?
> >
> > I can't believe you replaced 250 compressors because the had R134 in
> > the system.There must have been some other reason.
> >   I am not a AC expert but my experience with daily work on recovery
> > machines has not borne out your statement.
> > If the AC system is properly set up and charged R134 will work as
> good
> > as R12 with the possible exception of cooling at idle.If your AC is
> > making cold air it don't matter what is in the system.
> > my .02 worth.
> > ole blue
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Utley"
> <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> > To: "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; "Scirocco list"
> > <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: Any one know anything about A/C?
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org
> > > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org]On
> > Behalf Of
> > > Timbo
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:30 AM
> > > To: Scirocco list
> > > Subject: Any one know anything about A/C?
> > >
> > > Specificly - I think there is enough there of my dealer installed
> a/c
> > > to make it work. It needs to be recharged - so there's no pressure.
> > Is
> > > there a way to make the clutch of the compressor snap on to test it?
> > > (there's no belt on right now)
> > >
> > > Also - Will I regret going rf134a? anyone got some r12?
> > >
> > > --Timbo
> > >
> > > --
> > > Put 12V to the connection you see hanging off of it, that is the >
> > connectoin
> > > for the electro-magnetic clutch. Be sure to get them the right way
> >
> > around,
> > > I dunno if it would cause damage or not, but...
> > >
> > > R134 is highly corrosive, we replaced 250 compressors last year,
> and
> > 95% > of
> > > those were for A4 bodied cars. Stick with R12, there is no proof
> that
> > it > is
> > > harmful to the environment except Duponts word (when they were
> about
> > to > lose
> > > their patent on it)... If you are interested, I will find more
> links
> > to
> > > support my claims...
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> > >
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