Any one know anything about A/C?

[gatesj at mailblocks.com (John Gates)]

There has to be some design defect with those or they have been messing 
with their systems, one or the other.  I have a hard time buying that 
R-134a in a properly filled and correctly working system is unreliable 
like that unless there is some design problem.  My F-150 has 175,000 
miles on it and has just about the coldest air I have ever felt and we 
have had several other similar high mileage R-134a cars now and in the 
past with no problems over the life of the vehicle.  Another is my 150k 
mile Jetta, that had bad pulley bearings but that is no fault of the 
refrigerant.  If 134a was corrosive by itself it seems like it would be 
corrosive on all different types of vehicles.

The average Joe Blow who changes his oil also certainly has the ability 
to go to Wally World and pick up one of those recharge kits or even now 
one of the bottles with the hose right on it, read the instructions on 
the side, screw the connector on and proceed to inject 134a and PAG 
into a system that already has moisture in it.

Whether or not this is what your ~250 customers did, who knows.  I just 
think it's odd that with the growing easy availability of over the 
counter recharge kits and gas we have growing problems with A/C 
systems....

JMHO.... :)

John Gates
--
'85 Scirocco
'97 Jetta GLX

-----Original Message-----
From: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
To: John Gates <gatesj@mailblocks.com>; sukchew@cox-internet.com; 
timjmcconnell@gmail.com; Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
Sent: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:17:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Any one know anything about A/C?

250 times?  I think you over-estimate the ability of our customers' 
abilities...


My .02,

David
>
> From: John Gates <gatesj@mailblocks.com>
> Date: 2005/06/20 Mon AM 11:09:23 EDT
> To: sukchew@cox-internet.com,  fahrvegnugen@cox.net,  
timjmcconnell@gmail.com,
Scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Any one know anything about A/C?
>
> There you go.  If it's set up right.  What people are doing now is
> going to Wal-Mart and buying recharge kits and recharging leaky 
systems
> that have moisture in them.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Blue <sukchew@cox-internet.com>
> To: David Utley <fahrvegnugen@cox.net>; Timbo
> <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; Scirocco list <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:52:59 -0500
> Subject: Re: Any one know anything about A/C?
>
> I can't believe you replaced 250 compressors because the had R134 in
> the system.There must have been some other reason.
>   I am not a AC expert but my experience with daily work on recovery
> machines has not borne out your statement.
> If the AC system is properly set up and charged R134 will work as 
good
> as R12 with the possible exception of cooling at idle.If your AC is
> making cold air it don't matter what is in the system.
> my .02 worth.
> ole blue
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Utley" 
<fahrvegnugen@cox.net>
> To: "Timbo" <timjmcconnell@gmail.com>; "Scirocco list"
> <Scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 12:01 PM
> Subject: RE: Any one know anything about A/C?
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org
> > [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces+fahrvegnugen=cox.net@scirocco.org]On
> Behalf Of
> > Timbo
> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 10:30 AM
> > To: Scirocco list
> > Subject: Any one know anything about A/C?
> >
> > Specificly - I think there is enough there of my dealer installed 
a/c
> > to make it work. It needs to be recharged - so there's no pressure.
> Is
> > there a way to make the clutch of the compressor snap on to test it?
> > (there's no belt on right now)
> >
> > Also - Will I regret going rf134a? anyone got some r12?
> >
> > --Timbo
> >
> > --
> > Put 12V to the connection you see hanging off of it, that is the >
> connectoin
> > for the electro-magnetic clutch. Be sure to get them the right way 
>
> around,
> > I dunno if it would cause damage or not, but...
> >
> > R134 is highly corrosive, we replaced 250 compressors last year, 
and
> 95% > of
> > those were for A4 bodied cars. Stick with R12, there is no proof 
that
> it > is
> > harmful to the environment except Duponts word (when they were 
about
> to > lose
> > their patent on it)... If you are interested, I will find more 
links
> to
> > support my claims...
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
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