Lighting stuff (WAS (RE: Jeeze guys.))

[scirocco16vr32 at gmail.com (Chris Bennett)]

Does he have anything for s2?!?  Or am I converting to rounds?!?

On 12/12/05, Dick Y Wong <sailingfc@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> Okay here goes...
>
> I've been surfing around for lighting stuff and came across Daniel Stern
> Lighting's website.  I emailed him about the clear headlight covers he has
> listed (which are the same ones that I've been using for over 20 years) and
> he responded with lots of other info.  I've cut & pasted his info below for
> your reading enjoyment.  There is also lot of good reading on his website,
> but some of you probably already knew that.
>
> -Dick-
> 78 Scirocco
> Original Owner
> 95 Passat GLX
> Second Owner
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> On Sun, 11 Dec 2005, Dick Y Wong wrote:
>
> > Thanks for replying so quickly and on a Sunday at that.
> >
> > This sounds exactly like the product I have now.  I purchased my current
> > set some 20+ years ago and have not been able to find any since.  They
> > are on my '78 VW Scirocco, covering Cibie 5.75" H4 and H1 lamps. I have
> > included a picture.
>
> Yep! Those are the very same ones.
>
> > I am an email-list member of an organization called Scirocco.org.
> > There may be some interest by the membership since many members have
> > pre-82 Sciroccos with the quad headlights and many have aftermarket
> > lamps.
>
> See below for temptation.
>
> > How much are a set of 4?
>
> $21. Ordering instructions are below the temptation.
>
> Can also make your brake and turn signal lamps 40% brighter for
> $6.10/bulb, your reversing lamps 100% brighter for $7.20/bulb, and your
> front and rear sidemarker lights 40% brighter for $3.98/bulb.
>
> There is also a zero-dollar easy modification you can make to the front
> sidemarker light wiring so that the front sidemarker lights also act as
> side turn signal flashers, see
> http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/markerflash/markerflash.html
>
> Now, the temptation: New Cibie CSR 5-3/4" round headlamps beat the snot
> out of the old H4s.
>
> Spendy lamps, but give absolutely phenomenal performance.  I've put up the
> isocandela (beam performance) diagrams for sealed beam, conventional H4
> and CSR lamps. Sorry, it's a wide page, you'll have to widen your browser
> window.
>
> http://dastern.torque.net/Photometry/575.html
>
> If you're not familiar with isocandela diagrams, these will look like
> random squiggles and lines. Think of it as a topographic or "contour" map
> of the correctly-aimed beam pattern. Each differently-colored line
> represents the threshold of a particular intensity level, with the color
> legend located to the right of the isocandela diagram. The diagram is
> plotted on a chart calibrated in degrees. Straight ahead is represented by
> (0,0), that is, zero degrees up-down and zero degrees left-right.
>
> To get a mental approximation of the units and amounts under discussion
> here:
>
> Parking lamp: About 60 to 100 candela
> Front turn signal: About 500 candela
> Glaring high-beam Daytime Running Lamps (e.g. Saturn): About 8000 cd.
>
> The parameters to pay attention to are the luminous flux (total amount of
> light within the beam), the maximum intensity and its location within the
> beam relative to the axial point (H,V) -- the less downward/rightward
> offset, the longer the seeing distance -- stray light outside the beam
> pattern and effective beam width (contained within the dark-turquoise 500
> candela contour)
>
> The top two diagrams are standard halogen sealed beams.  Many
> Replaceable-bulb lamps with 9004, 9005, 9006 and 9007 bulbs produce
> comparable beam patterns. These beams provide acceptable down-the-road
> illumination, sufficiently intense and well placed, but that's about all
> there is to recommend them. were fitted with) are very comparable.  We see
> the narrow "tunnel" shaped beam, almost no light on the road surface, very
> little lateral spread to pick up pedestrians and animals, and grossly
> excessive upward stray light that causes backdazzle in fog and rain. Yuck.
>
> The next two diagrams are the Cibie H4 lamps. These give a wider and
> deeper beam pattern than the sealed beams, but upward stray is still a
> problem, the peak intensity is low and located far off to the right (short
> seeing distance). The Hella equivalents are similar but with slightly
> lower total flux, peak intensity and beam width, and the beam peak ("hot
> spot") is further over to the right.
>
> The reason why the low beam performance is poor is that the lamp is so
> small. Remember, with H4 on low beam only 60% of the lens and reflector
> area is used. The other 40% is blocked by the filament's internal shield.
> That's OK if you've got a large lamp to start with, but if you've got a
> small one...well...
>
> (Note that putting a more intense bulb in a lamp does not change the
> fundamental beam distribution. There's more light, but the hot spot stays
> where the lamp's optics put it. In other words, optically-determined
> geometric limits on seeing distance remain. Also, upward stray light
> increases markedly especially in lamps without bulb shields. For
> reference, replacing the 60/55w bulb with a 100/90w item in this Cibie H4
> lamp would raise the hot spot intensity from 11,265cd to 16,898cd.)
>
> The last two diagrams are the Cibie CSRs. You can see from this diagram
> comparison:
>
> The CSR lamp's beam contains several hundred more lumens
> than that of the H4 (and nearly triple that of the sealed beam)
>
> CSR maximum intensity with a plain old 55w bulb is nearly three times
> higher than an H4 with a 60/55w bulb, 26% higher than an H4 with a 100/80w
> bulb, and 50% higher than sealed beam
>
> CSR hot spot is well placed for long distance seeing, the beam is super
> wide and has nice, even road surface illumination, there's virtually no
> stray light to cause backdazzle in bad weather, and there's adequate but
> carefully-controlled uplight for seeing overhead road signs.
>
> I trip over headlamps whenever I walk 3 feet from my desk; I can have any
> I want. The CSRs are my absolute favorite. I sent a set to a friend who
> designs headlamp optics for Bosch. They're his favorite, now, too.
>
> But, the magic doesn't come cheaply. These lamps are $109/ea including
> standard 55w H1 bulb.
>
> ORDERING INSTRUCTIONS
>
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>
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> if you are not available to accept it in person.
>
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>
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>
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>
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> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> DS
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scirocco-l-bounces+sailingfc=dslextreme.com@scirocco.org
> [mailto:scirocco-l-bounces+sailingfc=dslextreme.com@scirocco.org]On
> Behalf Of Julie Macfarlane
> Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 7:27 PM
> To: scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Jeeze guys.
>
>
> Man its quiet.
>
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