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Handling and some other ramblings.


> 
> From: Anthony Pelletier <vwnuts@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2004/09/07 Tue PM 04:10:28 EDT
> To: Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com>,  scirocco-l@scirocco.org
> Subject: Re: Handling and some other ramblings.
> 

I have driven a friends' 84 GTI with the Shine approach, no front bar, and a regular one in the rear.  He however does have the Shine springs, which IIRC they say that you are much better off trying this with their springs over anyone elses, or stock.  The car does handle well, but it does not by any stretch of the imagination do so flatly...  I should mention he has 195/50/15s, sticky tires (do not recall which), and Tokicos, as well as a Eurosport lower bar...  Anyways, we switched cars one time and chased each other around (mine is an 83 GTI, 185/60/14, all-season tires, Konis all the way around (thanks Allyn!), and Koni progressive springs, stock sway bars front and rear, and a Autotech upper bar, and a 16V lower...  I could appreciate that his car would handle, but it will not do so comfortably...  He likes the way mine handles better, and is in the process of duplicating what I have done with mine...  Also, it should be asked, what condition are your bushings in your suspension?  If they are worn, no amount of add-on parts will help.  That should be your first priority...

>From what I can tell, I think the lack of sway bar, and upper and lower reinforcements are your weakest links, esp. if you like the way the A2 handles...  If I have some details wrong, please feel free to correct me...

Cheers,
  David

> to answer someone elses question, I think my scirocco
> has the better tires 205-45-16 toyo t1s and the vr6
> 195-50-15 pirelli P700z
> 
> I was just impressed with the way it would handle
> anything that I threw at it with ease.  It seems my
> rocco is far less smooth and has more trouble with
> uneven surfaces (Maine roads suck).  I think I need to
> bring the car up some.  The scirocco rides really
> stiff.  My tires will start making noise long before
> the ones on the vr6 will.  It wouldn't hurt to check
> my alignment either I guess.  
> 
> 
> Thanks for the input  
>  
> --- Dan Bubb <jdbubb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> > Can you be more specific about how your car handles
> > in comparison?
> > For instance does your car understeer more or less?
> > How does it handle bumps in comparison?
> > Steering response?
> > Difference in drop throttle oversteer?
> > If you can pinpoint the differences maybe we can
> > help a little more.
> > Dan
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Anthony Pelletier" <vwnuts@yahoo.com>
> > To: <scirocco-l@scirocco.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:16 PM
> > Subject: Handling and some other ramblings.
> > 
> > 
> > > Hello everyone,
> > > 
> > > I have a 1980 scirocco that has some pretty
> > extensive
> > > suspension mods and have some questions about
> > getting
> > > MKI's to hanlde better.  
> > > 
> > > What started this is over the weekend my friend
> > needed
> > > a truck so I loaned him my 4runner and he in turn
> > > loanded me his 1985 gti with a vr-6.  (what a deal
> > > eh?)  Its pretty much gutted and he has bilstein w
> > > ground control (eibach) springs 400# front 300#
> > rears
> > > with the MKIII "plus" suspension, and stock vr-6
> > > 15x6.5" wheels.  I was very impressed with the
> > > suspension despite what everyone says about vr6's
> > > being understeering pigs, I did not find this to
> > be
> > > true at all.  I am actually kind of embarassed by
> > how
> > > badly my mki handles in comparison. 
> > > 
> > > I have h&r coil overs (no idea what the spring
> > rate is
> > > on these.) suspension techniques rear swaybar, no
> > > front bar, poly bushings up front 16x7" rims with
> > toyo
> > > proxies t1s and find the handling just medoicre. 
> > Am I
> > > doing something wrong here, or is the MKII
> > suspension
> > > just that much better?  I found I was able to take
> > > corners faster with far less drama than I do in my
> > > rocco.  (I am not talking about all out
> > acceleration
> > > here.)  Maybe I can't drive, or I've been driving
> > a
> > > bloated SUV for too long, please don't flame me, I
> > am
> > > just looking for info/opinions about what I am
> > doing
> > > wrong here.  In the rocco's defense the coilovers
> > are
> > > probably set a little too low, but I didn't think
> > it
> > > would make that big of a difference. 
> > > 
> > > Tony
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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