Grant, Your teaser pic... is that in Illustrator? I'm taking a class with that now and man is it great software! I've been thinking about doing my scirocco with it, but need more practice with the gradient mesh tool. Great tool there. Here's one of my last projects: http://www.grum.com/self_life_final.jpg Dig the bananas! -- Mike '86 red 16v (Red 5)