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Automatic Car... How to solve a problem



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->-----Original Message-----
->From: scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org 
->[mailto:scirocco-l-bounces@scirocco.org] On Behalf Of Brian McGarvey
->Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:44 PM
->To: L F
->Cc: 'Scirocco List'; Patrick Bureau
->Subject: Re: Automatic Car... How to solve a problem
->
->
->Just so you know this is actually the solution the factory 
->did for the "hot start" problem in A2's, I'm 90% sure. Ive 
->seen it in a few.
->Brian
->
->
->On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, L F wrote:
->
->> Cool, Pat.
->> I love the thrill of victory.
->> Even someone else's.
->> 
->> Larry
->> sandiego16v
->>   ----- Original Message ----- 
->>   From: Patrick Bureau 
->>   To: 'Scirocco List' 
->>   Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 6:40 PM
->>   Subject: Automatic Car... How to solve a problem
->> 
->> 
->>   So yesterday, a frantic young 22 year old that borrow my 
->wife's car for a
->>   trip to Tulsa Oklahoma is calling me... " the car will 
->not starrrrrrrt "
->>   So after chatting with her, she tries it one more time 
->and luckily enough it
->>   does turn over and start , telling her to not turn it off 
->until she gets
->>   back to her place, which she does and her trip finishes 
->without a problem.
->> 
->>   This morning... Put key in car... Nothing... Ni click, 
->got lights and power
->>   , 12.5v on the battery, but refuses to crank over, so I 
->dolly its lazy arse
->>   back to the farm, I stop by AutoZone that identified the 
->battery after using
->>   their gismo tester machine that load it, that the battery 
->has more than
->>   likely a bad cell... So the battery is marked 4 years 
->ago, cant hurt, slap a
->>   new battery in... Turn key... Nothing... 
->> 
->>   So I grab the Bentley and test the ignition switch, well 
->after the 4 simple
->>   continuity test they tell me to do, conclusion.. Its not 
->the ignition switch
->>   the problem..
->> 
->>   So.. Since the "start my car systems" are simple.. And by 
->using deduction, I
->>   decided to go to the last obvious location to check, the 
->starter... Easy
->>   enough to check if it is itself or the solenoid still 
->good (because anyone
->>   that has an automatic KNOWS they are a bitch to take off 
->and change!). Find
->>   the starter harness, and VW has a nice little connection 
->right there.. Wire
->>   it to the battery... And the engine starts cranking at 
->proper speed.
->>   Conclusion # 3.. The starter is still good.
->> 
->>   My fear getting worse by the minute I run the fact in my 
->head, the battery,
->>   the switch the starter.. Was else could it be but the 
->WIRING.. Arrrrrgggggh
->>   I scream... The gremlins have gotten possession of my 
->cabriolet.....
->> 
->>   This is the TIME for you guys still reading this epic 
->story to realize when
->>   all else fails in your step by step home 
->troubleshooting.. Have a beer.. And
->>   if smoke... Time to light up... Sit by the side of the 
->car... And think....
->>   Why do I do this to myself... Why get .. Such an old car 
->with all the usual
->>   problems they all get... And always at one point to become wiring
->>   gremlins..... 
->> 
->>   <insert pause as my VW local mechanic drops buy to give 
->me back a borrow
->>   fuel pump he needed to trouble shoot a client's of his 
->cabriolet...>
->> 
->>   Jaime! Have a beer.... Thanks Pat, so what the problem 
->with the cabby he
->>   asks...<insert explanation written above>
->> 
->>   He smile and goes, do you have some wire and a 40a 
->relay... Sure I reply and
->>   fetch the stuff...
->> 
->>   Sipping my bear he builds a Starter solenoid relay, as he 
->explains (and
->>   people that have already done they euro light with relays 
->will understand
->>   this bit) The wiring is too old and the starter tries to 
->draw too much
->>   amperage on the skinny wire leading to and front the 
->ignition switch,
->>   usually the switch dies first (and I promptly tell him 
->that the PO had just
->>   changed it a few weeks ago),... So he built a relay, 
->connected for power
->>   directly to the battery, and used the ignition wire, and 
->patched the relay
->>   wires to it.. Fixed a little bracket with it.... And were 
->done in 20 mins.
->> 
->>   He smiles... There all fixed..... No more problems, being 
->skeptical, I pause
->>   and have another beer and a smoke...(watching someone fix 
->your car is
->>   tiresome buisiness yanno?) He chuckles and looks at me.. 
->So you aint going
->>   to start her up.....?
->> 
->>   I reach for the key... And "Half-Pint, as my wife calls 
->it" turns right over
->>   and starts...
->> 
->>   Cost.. Humm 6 beers... 1 hr of troubleshooting and 15 
->mins of making a relay
->>   for the starter.
->> 
->>   It WAS a good day in Dallas today....
->> 
->>   -
->>   ATS - Patrick Bureau - http://ats.longcoeur.com - 
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