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Automatic Car... How to solve a problem
It is, I had got this relay done on my Quantum
automatic since it wouldn't start after 30 minute
drives. Got a relay installed, starts without a
problem now. Its b/c in automatic cars, the starter
was near the downpipe causing to hot soak.
>From another site that I helped me varify my problem:
Volkswagen #4: Seems VWs are just prone to hot-soak,
won't-start conditions. Volkswagen has recognized that
Rabbits, Golfs and Jettas from 1985 on (Bosch reman
starters SR33X, SR34X and SR82X) also suffer from a
hot-soak condition where battery voltage to the #50
terminal of the starter drops to less than 10 volts
under high underhood temperatures, resulting in a car
that won't crank.
If a complete check of the car's charging and starting
system reveals no other problems, Volkswagen suggests
a VW retrofit starter relay (141 951 253B) be
installed in line between the T1 connector of the
right engine harness and the T1 connector of the
starter cable harness, which leads to the terminal #50
of the starter solenoid. Other required components and
installation directions are available through your VW
dealer.
--- Brian McGarvey <brianm@earendel.org> wrote:
>
> Just so you know this is actually the solution the
> factory did for the
> "hot start" problem in A2's, I'm 90% sure. Ive seen
> it in a few.
> Brian
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Mar 2004, L F wrote:
>
> > Cool, Pat.
> > I love the thrill of victory.
> > Even someone else's.
> >
> > Larry
> > sandiego16v
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Bureau
> > To: 'Scirocco List'
> > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 6:40 PM
> > Subject: Automatic Car... How to solve a problem
> >
> >
> > So yesterday, a frantic young 22 year old that
> borrow my wife's car for a
> > trip to Tulsa Oklahoma is calling me... " the
> car will not starrrrrrrt "
> > So after chatting with her, she tries it one
> more time and luckily enough it
> > does turn over and start , telling her to not
> turn it off until she gets
> > back to her place, which she does and her trip
> finishes without a problem.
> >
> > This morning... Put key in car... Nothing... Ni
> click, got lights and power
> > , 12.5v on the battery, but refuses to crank
> over, so I dolly its lazy arse
> > back to the farm, I stop by AutoZone that
> identified the battery after using
> > their gismo tester machine that load it, that
> the battery has more than
> > likely a bad cell... So the battery is marked 4
> years ago, cant hurt, slap a
> > new battery in... Turn key... Nothing...
> >
> > So I grab the Bentley and test the ignition
> switch, well after the 4 simple
> > continuity test they tell me to do, conclusion..
> Its not the ignition switch
> > the problem..
> >
> > So.. Since the "start my car systems" are
> simple.. And by using deduction, I
> > decided to go to the last obvious location to
> check, the starter... Easy
> > enough to check if it is itself or the solenoid
> still good (because anyone
> > that has an automatic KNOWS they are a bitch to
> take off and change!). Find
> > the starter harness, and VW has a nice little
> connection right there.. Wire
> > it to the battery... And the engine starts
> cranking at proper speed.
> > Conclusion # 3.. The starter is still good.
> >
> > My fear getting worse by the minute I run the
> fact in my head, the battery,
> > the switch the starter.. Was else could it be
> but the WIRING.. Arrrrrgggggh
> > I scream... The gremlins have gotten possession
> of my cabriolet.....
> >
> > This is the TIME for you guys still reading this
> epic story to realize when
> > all else fails in your step by step home
> troubleshooting.. Have a beer.. And
> > if smoke... Time to light up... Sit by the side
> of the car... And think....
> > Why do I do this to myself... Why get .. Such an
> old car with all the usual
> > problems they all get... And always at one point
> to become wiring
> > gremlins.....
> >
> > <insert pause as my VW local mechanic drops buy
> to give me back a borrow
> > fuel pump he needed to trouble shoot a client's
> of his cabriolet...>
> >
> > Jaime! Have a beer.... Thanks Pat, so what the
> problem with the cabby he
> > asks...<insert explanation written above>
> >
> > He smile and goes, do you have some wire and a
> 40a relay... Sure I reply and
> > fetch the stuff...
> >
> > Sipping my bear he builds a Starter solenoid
> relay, as he explains (and
> > people that have already done they euro light
> with relays will understand
> > this bit) The wiring is too old and the starter
> tries to draw too much
> > amperage on the skinny wire leading to and front
> the ignition switch,
> > usually the switch dies first (and I promptly
> tell him that the PO had just
> > changed it a few weeks ago),... So he built a
> relay, connected for power
> > directly to the battery, and used the ignition
> wire, and patched the relay
> > wires to it.. Fixed a little bracket with it....
> And were done in 20 mins.
> >
> > He smiles... There all fixed..... No more
> problems, being skeptical, I pause
> > and have another beer and a smoke...(watching
> someone fix your car is
> > tiresome buisiness yanno?) He chuckles and looks
> at me.. So you aint going
> > to start her up.....?
> >
> > I reach for the key... And "Half-Pint, as my
> wife calls it" turns right over
> > and starts...
> >
> > Cost.. Humm 6 beers... 1 hr of troubleshooting
> and 15 mins of making a relay
> > for the starter.
> >
> > It WAS a good day in Dallas today....
> >
> > -
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> -
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> >
> >
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